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Prime Minister, do you think Nigel
Prime
Minister
do
you
think
Nigel
Farage is a racist?
Farage
is
a
racist
>> No. Nor do I think reform voters are
>>
No
Nor
do
I
think
reform
voters
are
racist. Uh they're concerned about
racist
Uh
they're
concerned
about
things like our borders. They're
things
like
our
borders
They're
frustrated
frustrated
>> uh about the pace of change. So I'm not
>>
uh
about
the
pace
of
change
So
I'm
not
for a moment suggesting that they are.
for
a
moment
suggesting
that
they
are
racist. I was talking about a particular
racist
I
was
talking
about
a
particular
policy
policy
>> and making a distinction and a really
>>
and
making
a
distinction
and
a
really
important distinction in my mind
important
distinction
in
my
mind
>> between deporting those who have no
>>
between
deporting
those
who
have
no
right to be here illegally, which
right
to
be
here
illegally
which
this government is doing and I agree
this
government
is
doing
and
I
agree
with and on the on the other hand
with
and
on
the
on
the
other
hand
reaching into migrants lawfully here
reaching
into
migrants
lawfully
here
who've been here for years working in
who've
been
here
for
years
working
in
our hospitals our schools um and
our
hospitals
our
schools
um
and
deporting them that to me would tear our
deporting
them
that
to
me
would
tear
our
country apart
country
apart
>> but why is it a racist policy to deport
>>
but
why
is
it
a
racist
policy
to
deport
people who are legally living here
people
who
are
legally
living
here
if they don't meet high income and
if
they
don't
meet
high
income
and
English language requirements. Many
English
language
requirements
Many
people would think that policy is
people
would
think
that
policy
is
reasonable, not racist. So why have you
reasonable
not
racist
So
why
have
you
described it as racist?
described
it
as
racist
>> Because these are people who are
>>
Because
these
are
people
who
are
lawfully here who've contributed to our
lawfully
here
who've
contributed
to
our
society. They're working in our NHS,
society
They're
working
in
our
NHS
working in our schools. They're our
working
in
our
schools
They're
our
neighbors. They have contributed and
neighbors
They
have
contributed
and
built their lives in this country. Some
built
their
lives
in
this
country
Some
might go. But this goes to the heart of
might
go
But
this
goes
to
the
heart
of
who we are as a country.
who
we
are
as
a
country
>> I want um to serve the whole of this
>>
I
want
um
to
serve
the
whole
of
this
country. this beautiful, tolerant,
country
this
beautiful
tolerant
diverse country,
diverse
country
>> the alternative, this toxic division
>>
the
alternative
this
toxic
division
would tear apart who we are as a
would
tear
apart
who
we
are
as
a
country. And that's why it's a really
country
And
that's
why
it's
a
really
fundamental issue.
fundamental
issue
>> Do you do you think that he is caught in
>>
Do
you
do
you
think
that
he
is
caught
in
racist with this policy?
racist
with
this
policy
>> Well, look, I'm not um going to start
>>
Well
look
I'm
not
um
going
to
start
banding um you racist.
banding
um
you
racist
>> The policy the policy
>>
The
policy
the
policy
>> So, is he caught in racist?
>>
So
is
he
caught
in
racist
>> The I think the policy is racist. I
>>
The
I
think
the
policy
is
racist
I
think it's immoral. And I think I'll
think
it's
immoral
And
I
think
I'll
tell you, I've had so much sort of
tell
you
I've
had
so
much
sort
of
incoming communications about this.
incoming
communications
about
this
People from minorities in this country
People
from
minorities
in
this
country
who feel more scared now than they've
who
feel
more
scared
now
than
they've
felt for years. It's sent a shiver down
felt
for
years
It's
sent
a
shiver
down
their throat. It it has said to
their
throat
It
it
has
said
to
communities who thought they were part
communities
who
thought
they
were
part
of what it is to be British that somehow
of
what
it
is
to
be
British
that
somehow
they're not British. I think that's a
they're
not
British
I
think
that's
a
very dangerous place for us to go as a
very
dangerous
place
for
us
to
go
as
a
country and it goes against everything
country
and
it
goes
against
everything
that I believe in.
that
I
believe
in
>> Prime Minister, do you admire Nigel
>>
Prime
Minister
do
you
admire
Nigel
Farage as a politician? I think he's a
Farage
as
a
politician
I
think
he's
a
formidable politician and um uh of
formidable
politician
and
um
uh
of
course I think he's um the opponent as
course
I
think
he's
um
the
opponent
as
we go into the next election. I don't
we
go
into
the
next
election
I
don't
think it's going to be Labor versus the
think
it's
going
to
be
Labor
versus
the
Tories. It's completely
Tories
It's
completely
it's going to be Labour against reform.
it's
going
to
be
Labour
against
reform
Look, I mean he's a formidable
Look
I
mean
he's
a
formidable
politician. I'm not going to suggest
politician
I'm
not
going
to
suggest
otherwise. But fundamentally, what I
otherwise
But
fundamentally
what
I
don't admire is what he stands for
don't
admire
is
what
he
stands
for
because I don't think he stands for the
because
I
don't
think
he
stands
for
the
Britain that I know and I love.
Britain
that
I
know
and
I
love
>> Is he a dangerous politician? Do you
>>
Is
he
a
dangerous
politician
Do
you
think he is dangerous?
think
he
is
dangerous
>> I think the fight at the next election
>>
I
think
the
fight
at
the
next
election
is uh going to define us as a country
is
uh
going
to
define
us
as
a
country
for years to come. It is a really
for
years
to
come
It
is
a
really
important political divide.
important
political
divide
>> Do you think he's dangerous? You talked
>>
Do
you
think
he's
dangerous
You
talked
about it being a dangerous moment for
about
it
being
a
dangerous
moment
for
the country. Do you think he's
the
country
Do
you
think
he's
dangerous?
dangerous
>> I think it's a dangerous moment for the
>>
I
think
it's
a
dangerous
moment
for
the
country.
country
>> Do you think he's dangerous?
>>
Do
you
think
he's
dangerous
>> Well, look, I'm not going to get into um
>>
Well
look
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
um
labeling the man. Um I'm talking about
labeling
the
man
Um
I'm
talking
about
the ideas and what he stands for.
the
ideas
and
what
he
stands
for
>> Ideas are dangerous. Well, I think that
>>
Ideas
are
dangerous
Well
I
think
that
taking our country down the road of
taking
our
country
down
the
road
of
toxic division where you don't want to
toxic
division
where
you
don't
want
to
fix problems because if they're fixed,
fix
problems
because
if
they're
fixed
you lose your reason to exist. I think
you
lose
your
reason
to
exist
I
think
that is dangerous for our country.
that
is
dangerous
for
our
country
>> These ideas are dangerous.
>>
These
ideas
are
dangerous
>> I think that what uh that that road that
>>
I
think
that
what
uh
that
that
road
that
takes us uh to toxic division of not
takes
us
uh
to
toxic
division
of
not
fixing our problems. I think that's a
fixing
our
problems
I
think
that's
a
dangerous road for us to go down. I also
dangerous
road
for
us
to
go
down
I
also
don't think this is just about uh labor.
don't
think
this
is
just
about
uh
labor
I think there are plenty of people who
I
think
there
are
plenty
of
people
who
may or may not vote Labor, who believe
may
or
may
not
vote
Labor
who
believe
in patriotism in our country, who do not
in
patriotism
in
our
country
who
do
not
want to see it torn apart in this way.
want
to
see
it
torn
apart
in
this
way
And I don't like to see minorities in
And
I
don't
like
to
see
minorities
in
this country feeling as scared as they
this
country
feeling
as
scared
as
they
do at the moment about what is or put
do
at
the
moment
about
what
is
or
put
out.
out
>> I'm gently trying to interrupt because
>>
I'm
gently
trying
to
interrupt
because
I've got such a short amount of time.
I've
got
such
a
short
amount
of
time
So, if you don't mind, uh, you called
So
if
you
don't
mind
uh
you
called
this a fight. You called this fight a
this
a
fight
You
called
this
fight
a
battle for the soul of the nation. Do
battle
for
the
soul
of
the
nation
Do
you know which other leader used that
you
know
which
other
leader
used
that
phrase in recent years?
phrase
in
recent
years
>> I don't. Um I uh set out
>>
I
don't
Um
I
uh
set
out
>> It was Joe Biden. It was Joe Biden in he
>>
It
was
Joe
Biden
It
was
Joe
Biden
in
he
did a speech about a battle for the soul
did
a
speech
about
a
battle
for
the
soul
of the nation. Exactly the same
of
the
nation
Exactly
the
same
language. Beth, what happened is u we I
language
Beth
what
happened
is
u
we
I
started on the speech in about July
started
on
the
speech
in
about
July
crafting in my own mind the argument
crafting
in
my
own
mind
the
argument
that I want to make and uh the argument
that
I
want
to
make
and
uh
the
argument
I made in my conference speech is the
I
made
in
my
conference
speech
is
the
argument I wanted to make about who I
argument
I
wanted
to
make
about
who
I
am, what I stand for, what I believe
am
what
I
stand
for
what
I
believe
this country is. So this speech came
this
country
is
So
this
speech
came
very much from me from anybody. The
very
much
from
me
from
anybody
The
reason that I reference Joe Biden is do
reason
that
I
reference
Joe
Biden
is
do
you see why some of your MPs are nervous
you
see
why
some
of
your
MPs
are
nervous
as they look across the pond at a leader
as
they
look
across
the
pond
at
a
leader
who said he could take the fight to what
who
said
he
could
take
the
fight
to
what
he saw as the populist right, Donald
he
saw
as
the
populist
right
Donald
Trump, and he lost that battle and he
Trump
and
he
lost
that
battle
and
he
stayed on too long and he paved the way
stayed
on
too
long
and
he
paved
the
way
to that victory. Can you see why your uh
to
that
victory
Can
you
see
why
your
uh
MPs might be nervous, some of your
MPs
might
be
nervous
some
of
your
supporters nervous that you're not the
supporters
nervous
that
you're
not
the
right guy for this fight? Well, Beth, we
right
guy
for
this
fight
Well
Beth
we
had that
had
that
>> Friday of last week progressive leaders
>>
Friday
of
last
week
progressive
leaders
here from Canada, from Australia,
here
from
Canada
from
Australia
from Norway, all of whom uh are
from
Norway
all
of
whom
uh
are
center-left politicians, all of whom had
center-left
politicians
all
of
whom
had
a battle against right-wing politics and
a
battle
against
right-wing
politics
and
all of whom I think the right looks to
all
of
whom
I
think
the
right
looks
to
those battles and can see the battle. I
those
battles
and
can
see
the
battle
I
think if in the hall for my conference
think
if
in
the
hall
for
my
conference
speech, you will have seen just how
speech
you
will
have
seen
just
how
unifying this was for Labour. I know
unifying
this
was
for
Labour
I
know
about the hall but out there 30% of
about
the
hall
but
out
there
30
of
voters are saying they'll support for do
voters
are
saying
they'll
support
for
do
you worry you might not be the right man
you
worry
you
might
not
be
the
right
man
for the job
for
the
job
>> and that's nothing about your skills as
>>
and
that's
nothing
about
your
skills
as
a a leader
a
a
leader
>> let me answer that let me answer that um
>>
let
me
answer
that
let
me
answer
that
um
last year in July we won a mandate for
last
year
in
July
we
won
a
mandate
for
changing this country I led my party
changing
this
country
I
led
my
party
into that before that I took over as
into
that
before
that
I
took
over
as
leader of our party and people said to
leader
of
our
party
and
people
said
to
me you're not the right person to change
me
you're
not
the
right
person
to
change
the party I said yes I am and we did it
the
party
I
said
yes
I
am
and
we
did
it
then people said to me you'll never win
then
people
said
to
me
you'll
never
win
an election we went on and got a
an
election
we
went
on
and
got
a
landslide victory now they say to
landslide
victory
now
they
say
to
uh you're not able to change the
uh
you're
not
able
to
change
the
country. We will change the country and
country
We
will
change
the
country
and
I will be judged at the next election.
I
will
be
judged
at
the
next
election
We had a 5-year mandate on whether
We
had
a
5-year
mandate
on
whether
living standards are better, whether the
living
standards
are
better
whether
the
health service is better, and whether
health
service
is
better
and
whether
people feel more safe and secure than
people
feel
more
safe
and
secure
than
they did when we came into office. I'll
they
did
when
we
came
into
office
I'll
be rightly judged against those
be
rightly
judged
against
those
conditions. Um and uh I will be able to
conditions
Um
and
uh
I
will
be
able
to
meet that test.
meet
that
test
>> And Andy Burnham, should he just shut
>>
And
Andy
Burnham
should
he
just
shut
up?
up
>> Well, Andy Bernham is doing a fantastic
>>
Well
Andy
Bernham
is
doing
a
fantastic
job as the mayor of Manchester. Actually
job
as
the
mayor
of
Manchester
Actually
worked closely with him. We've reset
worked
closely
with
him
We've
reset
that relationship between Westminster
that
relationship
between
Westminster
and our mayors and we're working well um
and
our
mayors
and
we're
working
well
um
together. So I've got no personal issue
together
So
I've
got
no
personal
issue
with Andy in the slightly.
with
Andy
in
the
slightly
>> Okay. Just want to ask you this. Donald
>>
Okay
Just
want
to
ask
you
this
Donald
Trump said under Sadique Khan London is
Trump
said
under
Sadique
Khan
London
is
being driven towards Sharia law. Is it?
being
driven
towards
Sharia
law
Is
it
>> No, of course it's not. That's nonsense.
>>
No
of
course
it's
not
That's
nonsense
Um
Um
>> Isn't it that racist as well?
>>
Isn't
it
that
racist
as
well
>> Well, it is nonsense.
>>
Well
it
is
nonsense
>> Isn't it racist to accuse a Muslim mayor
>>
Isn't
it
racist
to
accuse
a
Muslim
mayor
of driving London to Sharia law? I'm not
of
driving
London
to
Sharia
law
I'm
not
going to start down the road um of um
going
to
start
down
the
road
um
of
um
discussing whether things uh said by
discussing
whether
things
uh
said
by
others are racist.
others
are
racist
>> Well, you just discussed Nigel Farage
>>
Well
you
just
discussed
Nigel
Farage
having a racist policy. So, you
having
a
racist
policy
So
you
literally are discussing that.
literally
are
discussing
that
>> I have been really clear that the idea
>>
I
have
been
really
clear
that
the
idea
that in London we're introducing Sharia
that
in
London
we're
introducing
Sharia
law is rubbish.
law
is
rubbish
>> Is it racist?
>>
Is
it
racist
>> It's rubbish.
>>
It's
rubbish
>> Okay. You're not going to say it. So,
>>
Okay
You're
not
going
to
say
it
So
you're criticized Farajit but not far.
you're
criticized
Farajit
but
not
far
Donald Trump said Sadiq Khan was a
Donald
Trump
said
Sadiq
Khan
was
a
terrible terrible mayor among the worst
terrible
terrible
mayor
among
the
worst
in the world. Is he? No, of course he's
in
the
world
Is
he
No
of
course
he's
not. He's doing a very good job as mayor
not
He's
doing
a
very
good
job
as
mayor
of London. And in fact, serious crime is
of
London
And
in
fact
serious
crime
is
down. And again, whether it's Andy
down
And
again
whether
it's
Andy
Burnham or Sadiq Khan, we work very
Burnham
or
Sadiq
Khan
we
work
very
closely with our mayors. But I also have
closely
with
our
mayors
But
I
also
have
a very good relationship with Donald
a
very
good
relationship
with
Donald
Trump, the president of the United
Trump
the
president
of
the
United
States. Uh we have a good personal
States
Uh
we
have
a
good
personal
relationship and we work on behalf of
relationship
and
we
work
on
behalf
of
our countries extremely closely
our
countries
extremely
closely
together. But it's very important for
together
But
it's
very
important
for
the United Kingdom. So
the
United
Kingdom
So
>> You do work with him. Well, but did you
>>
You
do
work
with
him
Well
but
did
you
believe him when he said at Chequers
believe
him
when
he
said
at
Chequers
that he didn't know who Lord Mandelson
that
he
didn't
know
who
Lord
Mandelson
was? Did you believe Donald Trump when
was
Did
you
believe
Donald
Trump
when
he said that?
he
said
that
>> I can't answer for the president of
>>
I
can't
answer
for
the
president
of
the United States in relation to the
the
United
States
in
relation
to
the
answers he gives at.
answers
he
gives
at
>> the reason I'm asking you and there's a
>>
the
reason
I'm
asking
you
and
there's
a
serious point here. Does it not bother
serious
point
here
Does
it
not
bother
you when he says things that you know
you
when
he
says
things
that
you
know
are not truthful and you won't actually
are
not
truthful
and
you
won't
actually
call it out?
call
it
out
>> Well, what matters to me is that the
>>
Well
what
matters
to
me
is
that
the
relationship between the US and the UK
relationship
between
the
US
and
the
UK
on defense and security and intelligence
on
defense
and
security
and
intelligence
is the closest relationship in the
is
the
closest
relationship
in
the
world. It is what helps to keep us safe
world
It
is
what
helps
to
keep
us
safe
in this country and therefore of course
in
this
country
and
therefore
of
course
I work closely with the United States
I
work
closely
with
the
United
States
president. Of course I have a good
president
Of
course
I
have
a
good
personal relationship with him. That is
personal
relationship
with
him
That
is
good for our country and uh nothing that
good
for
our
country
and
uh
nothing
that
other people say or do is going to
other
people
say
or
do
is
going
to
detract or deflect me from my duty, my
detract
or
deflect
me
from
my
duty
my
responsibility to make sure that our
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
our
country is safe, secure and that we have
country
is
safe
secure
and
that
we
have
that special relationship that we do.
that
special
relationship
that
we
do
>> Prime Minister, you will lead Labour into
>>
Prime
Minister
you
will
lead
Labour
into
the next general election. I will lead
the
next
general
election
I
will
lead
Labor into the next general election.
Labor
into
the
next
general
election
>> Okay. Thank you so much for your time. I
>>
Okay
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
I
appreciate that.
appreciate
that
>> Thank you.
>>
Thank
you
>> Thank you.
>>
Thank
you
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