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Well, hello there and welcome back to
Well
hello
there
and
welcome
back
to
Jones in Melbourne. Let's uh talk a bit
Jones
in
Melbourne
Let's
uh
talk
a
bit
more about AI as promised. Um there is a
more
about
AI
as
promised
Um
there
is
a
apparently a very normal interaction
apparently
a
very
normal
interaction
between a daughter and uh mother on a
between
a
daughter
and
uh
mother
on
a
phone, but it's all AI generated. Let's
phone
but
it's
all
AI
generated
Let's
uh show you.
uh
show
you
>> Mom, would you tell Charlie that bedtime
>>
Mom
would
you
tell
Charlie
that
bedtime
story you always used to tell me?
story
you
always
used
to
tell
me
>> Once upon a time, there was a baby
>>
Once
upon
a
time
there
was
a
baby
unicorn who didn't know he knew him. You
unicorn
who
didn't
know
he
knew
him
You
know, people aren't very happy about
know
people
aren't
very
happy
about
this because it's a new bit of software
this
because
it's
a
new
bit
of
software
that allows for a person who has passed
that
allows
for
a
person
who
has
passed
to be put into your phone. And as you
to
be
put
into
your
phone
And
as
you
can see there for uh an individual to
can
see
there
for
uh
an
individual
to
carry that person with them. Now, the
carry
that
person
with
them
Now
the
video, this video for the promotion was
video
this
video
for
the
promotion
was
put on social media last week. It's got
put
on
social
media
last
week
It's
got
some 20 million views, but has also had
some
20
million
views
but
has
also
had
plenty of criticism.
plenty
of
criticism
>> Congratulations. Well, let's uh speak
>>
Congratulations
Well
let's
uh
speak
now to Professor Andrew Briggs, who's
now
to
Professor
Andrew
Briggs
who's
the executive chair of Control Ox, an AI
the
executive
chair
of
Control
Ox
an
AI
company. And I hope I've pronounced that
company
And
I
hope
I've
pronounced
that
right. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
right
Do
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
Professor Briggs, very good morning to
Professor
Briggs
very
good
morning
to
you. Nice to see you. Um
you
Nice
to
see
you
Um
>> let's come on to that particular um AI
>>
let's
come
on
to
that
particular
um
AI
tool in a moment. First of all, I just
tool
in
a
moment
First
of
all
I
just
want to get your general view on AI
want
to
get
your
general
view
on
AI
because we've been talking a little bit
because
we've
been
talking
a
little
bit
this morning about whether or not we are
this
morning
about
whether
or
not
we
are
over reliant on it or whether we're not
over
reliant
on
it
or
whether
we're
not
looking enough at AI because it could be
looking
enough
at
AI
because
it
could
be
the the future for us. What's your take
the
the
future
for
us
What's
your
take
first of all?
first
of
all
>> Well, AI is a um technology. It's used
>>
Well
AI
is
a
um
technology
It's
used
by my company as you say for quantum
by
my
company
as
you
say
for
quantum
control of um control of quantum devices
control
of
um
control
of
quantum
devices
for accelerating the development of
for
accelerating
the
development
of
quantum computing. It's used for all
quantum
computing
It's
used
for
all
sorts of other things many of them
sorts
of
other
things
many
of
them
hugely beneficial. I mean it's very good
hugely
beneficial
I
mean
it's
very
good
at screening radiographs um better than
at
screening
radiographs
um
better
than
humans can faster than humans can
humans
can
faster
than
humans
can
releasing humans for more challenging
releasing
humans
for
more
challenging
and creative and demanding jobs. But
and
creative
and
demanding
jobs
But
like any technology, it can be used for
like
any
technology
it
can
be
used
for
what you choose. And therefore, what's
what
you
choose
And
therefore
what's
absolutely crucial is the values that go
absolutely
crucial
is
the
values
that
go
into the use of AI. And increasingly
into
the
use
of
AI
And
increasingly
with agentic AI, the values that are put
with
agentic
AI
the
values
that
are
put
into the AI that it's asked to
into
the
AI
that
it's
asked
to
implement.
implement
>> And can I just intervene there briefly
>>
And
can
I
just
intervene
there
briefly
just to explain what agentic AI is? And
just
to
explain
what
agentic
AI
is
And
this is when AI does stuff for you
this
is
when
AI
does
stuff
for
you
without you even needing to be there. It
without
you
even
needing
to
be
there
It
just it just organizes things without so
just
it
just
organizes
things
without
so
much human interaction. Is that right?
much
human
interaction
Is
that
right
Is that
Is
that
>> exactly so? And and it's a growing trend
>>
exactly
so
And
and
it's
a
growing
trend
and it's a very exciting one because at
and
it's
a
very
exciting
one
because
at
its best it's going to do wonderful jobs
its
best
it's
going
to
do
wonderful
jobs
for us that take time and effort and and
for
us
that
take
time
and
effort
and
and
free us for other activities.
free
us
for
other
activities
But um uh the more powerful it is, the
But
um
uh
the
more
powerful
it
is
the
more it can be used for good and the
more
it
can
be
used
for
good
and
the
more it can also be used for harm. For
more
it
can
also
be
used
for
harm
For
example, there's a great rise in um
example
there's
a
great
rise
in
um
cyber crime now uh being increasingly
cyber
crime
now
uh
being
increasingly
driven by agentic AI.
driven
by
agentic
AI
>> And you can probably see that that was
>>
And
you
can
probably
see
that
that
was
that was going to be coming the more
that
was
going
to
be
coming
the
more
powerful these these machines get.
powerful
these
these
machines
get
Professor, I let me get your thoughts on
Professor
I
let
me
get
your
thoughts
on
this particular bit of software then.
this
particular
bit
of
software
then
I'm not sure if I explained it properly
I'm
not
sure
if
I
explained
it
properly
before we spoke to you, but this is a
before
we
spoke
to
you
but
this
is
a
bit of kit that allows you to input some
bit
of
kit
that
allows
you
to
input
some
data into it and it essentially uh
data
into
it
and
it
essentially
uh
brings back to life a deceased relative.
brings
back
to
life
a
deceased
relative
I mean, on the on the face of it, that
I
mean
on
the
on
the
face
of
it
that
sounds really disturbing, but I can
sounds
really
disturbing
but
I
can
imagine there is a market for this. Some
imagine
there
is
a
market
for
this
Some
people will want to be able to have that
people
will
want
to
be
able
to
have
that
connection with someone they've lost.
connection
with
someone
they've
lost
>> There's there's undoubtedly a market for
>>
There's
there's
undoubtedly
a
market
for
it. And uh we all already have a great
it
And
uh
we
all
already
have
a
great
deal of evidence from a related
deal
of
evidence
from
a
related
capability, which is the companion AI.
capability
which
is
the
companion
AI
And this is AI that can generate a
And
this
is
AI
that
can
generate
a
companion. Could be for anybody, but
companion
Could
be
for
anybody
but
it's uh the particularly vulnerable are
it's
uh
the
particularly
vulnerable
are
um uh teenagers and young people, young
um
uh
teenagers
and
young
people
young
adolescents.
adolescents
And uh we've seen first of all how that
And
uh
we've
seen
first
of
all
how
that
grows. Um some of them like um character
grows
Um
some
of
them
like
um
character
AI already having 20 million users by
AI
already
having
20
million
users
by
January this year and that's
January
this
year
and
that's
growing. And we've also seen the
growing
And
we've
also
seen
the
terrible harm that it can do.
terrible
harm
that
it
can
do
And uh we'd already begun to see that in
And
uh
we'd
already
begun
to
see
that
in
the UK with the tragic case in 2017 of
the
UK
with
the
tragic
case
in
2017
of
Molly Russell, who was this lovely
Molly
Russell
who
was
this
lovely
14-year-old girl who took her own life
14-year-old
girl
who
took
her
own
life
under the influence of social media. And
under
the
influence
of
social
media
And
only this weekend in an interview with
only
this
weekend
in
an
interview
with
the Guardian, her father Ian Russell has
the
Guardian
her
father
Ian
Russell
has
bemoaned the slowness and failure of
bemoaned
the
slowness
and
failure
of
Ofcom to bring safety for people of
Ofcom
to
bring
safety
for
people
of
Molly Russell's age and situation. He's
Molly
Russell's
age
and
situation
He's
calling for a replacement of the
calling
for
a
replacement
of
the
leadership of Ofcom because of the harm
leadership
of
Ofcom
because
of
the
harm
that's done and because of the the
that's
done
and
because
of
the
the
difficulty in regulating. At this very
difficulty
in
regulating
At
this
very
moment, there's a case going on in the
moment
there's
a
case
going
on
in
the
United States of the parents of Su Sets,
United
States
of
the
parents
of
Su
Sets
who was another 14year-old boy, in this
who
was
another
14year-old
boy
in
this
case, a boy who died by suicide after
case
a
boy
who
died
by
suicide
after
prolonged interaction with with um the
prolonged
interaction
with
with
um
the
the the the companion called Character
the
the
the
companion
called
Character
AI, the chatbot.
AI
the
chatbot
>> So, we've seen the terrible harm that
>>
So
we've
seen
the
terrible
harm
that
can be done there. How do we learn the
can
be
done
there
How
do
we
learn
the
lessons of that for these grief bots?
lessons
of
that
for
these
grief
bots
>> Yeah. So, so many questions, Professor
>>
Yeah
So
so
many
questions
Professor
Briggs, and I guess as well real
Briggs
and
I
guess
as
well
real
challenges for authorities making sure
challenges
for
authorities
making
sure
that regulation keeps up with this very
that
regulation
keeps
up
with
this
very
fast changing trend. But, uh, we really
fast
changing
trend
But
uh
we
really
appreciate your thoughts this morning
appreciate
your
thoughts
this
morning
and getting up so early for us on a
and
getting
up
so
early
for
us
on
a
Sunday morning. We really appreciate it.
Sunday
morning
We
really
appreciate
it
Thank you.
Thank
you
>> Thanks, Professor. Thanks for being with
>>
Thanks
Professor
Thanks
for
being
with
us.
us
>> Thank you. Goodbye.
>>
Thank
you
Goodbye
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