Watch and Learn - Ari Emanuel on Channeling Rage and Ego Into Hollywood Success

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Thank you for being here.

Thank you for being here

Thank you for having me.

Thank you for having me

Ari, you are--

Ari you are-

as way of disclosure, I work for you.

as way of disclosure I work for you

You are my agent sort of.

You are my agent sort of

I think that's a role reversal.

I think that's a role reversal

I work for you, Jon.

I work for you Jon

Bullshit.

Bullshit

This is the longest I've ever talked to you.

This is the longest I've ever talked to you

[LAUGHTER]

LAUGHTER

A lot of people could say that.

A lot of people could say that

Yeah, very true.

Yeah very true

You're a powerful man.

You're a powerful man

And you're a legendary agent.

And you're a legendary agent

You're very interesting.

You're very interesting

But I don't know if you're this interesting.

But I don't know if you're this interesting

[LAUGHTER]

LAUGHTER

Ari, this is 417 [BLEEP] pages.

Ari this is 417 BLEEP pages

Did you count how many F's there were?

Did you count how many F's there were

JON: There's a tremendous amount.

JON: There's a tremendous amount

You should have called the book [BLEEP] Me, No [BLEEP] You.

You should have called the book BLEEP Me No BLEEP You

[LAUGHTER]

LAUGHTER

It's 400 pages.

It's 400 pages

I to read this.

I to read this

Yeah.

Yeah

We could have-- we could have waited until Bob Odenkirk did

We could have- we could have waited until Bob Odenkirk did

the audio.

the audio

- Bob Odenkirk did the audio? - Yeah.

Bob Odenkirk did the audio Yeah

How did you get him?

How did you get him

Well, it goes way back.

Well it goes way back

I was Bob's agent when Mr. Show happened.

I was Bob's agent when Mr Show happened

JON: Oh, God. On HBO.

JON: Oh God On HBO

What a great show.

What a great show

And Bob, still a friend, called him up.

And Bob still a friend called him up

He said, I'm going to read it anyway.

He said I'm going to read it anyway

Why I just read it and make some money?

Why I just read it and make some money

I said, great.

I said great

[LAUGHTER]

LAUGHTER

I thought I did my--

I thought I did my-

Nice.

Nice

I did my best agent thing there.

I did my best agent thing there

How much do you, as his agent,

How much do you as his agent

pay him to do your project?

pay him to do your project

[BLEEP]

BLEEP

- So much. - So much.

So much So much

So much.

So much

I see.

I see

And is this-- what is the impetus of writing the book,

And is this- what is the impetus of writing the book

if I may.

if I may

Because there's a lot of other people in the industry

that you've worked with that receive--

that you've worked with that receive-

if I may, less than stellar treatment, in the book.

if I may less than stellar treatment in the book

But you're still alive, and so are they.

But you're still alive and so are they

Yeah.

Yeah

Why--

Why-

Should I be serious for two seconds?

Should I be serious for two seconds

- No. - Oh, OK.

No Oh OK

Yes, be serious for two seconds.

Yes be serious for two seconds

No, listen, I know this is going to shock you.

No listen I know this is going to shock you

But most of the time, I'm talking for other people

But most of the time I'm talking for other people

when I represent them.

when I represent them

This is the first time I'm talking in my voice.

This is the first time I'm talking in my voice

And the main reason is, I'm dyslexic, ADHD.

And the main reason is I'm dyslexic ADHD

A lot of parents have come up to me and ask me about that.

A lot of parents have come up to me and ask me about that

And this is kind of their Thomas guide--

And this is kind of their Thomas guide-

which we used to drive in LA, you had a map--

which we used to drive in LA you had a map-

to say, if you help your kids, one, get endurance and

to say if you help your kids one get endurance and

go through dyslexia and let them

struggle as hard as that is for a kid, they can turn out OK.

struggle as hard as that is for a kid they can turn out OK

And here's the ways that they can turn out OK.

And here's the ways that they can turn out OK

And the great thing about dyslexia

is you're not linear thinker.

is you're not linear thinker

You're, in my opinion, you become

You're in my opinion you become

a free thinker because you're not attached to the words.

a free thinker because you're not attached to the words

You're attached to other things.

You're attached to other things

So this is about-- given the setback that you may

So this is about- given the setback that you may

have had with dyslexia, the fact

have had with dyslexia the fact

that you can fight through it.

that you can fight through it

And then it's also for kids, a road map--

And then it's also for kids a road map-

JON: This is not for kids.

JON: This is not for kids

This is maybe the least, like-- this ain't Miss Rachel,

This is maybe the least like- this ain't Miss Rachel

let's put it that way.

let's put it that way

But here's what I would say to you.

But here's what I would say to you

A lot of people starting out in the business.

A lot of people starting out in the business

JON: Yes.

JON: Yes

I started out making $0.15 a mile, and this was my path.

I started out making 015 a mile and this was my path

JON: You were a mailroom guy.

JON: You were a mailroom guy

I was a mailroom guy.

I was a mailroom guy

And this is a Thomas guy, a ways about the struggles

And this is a Thomas guy a ways about the struggles

that it takes.

that it takes

Because success, as you know, is not a straight line.

Because success as you know is not a straight line

There's ups, there's downs, there's pain.

There's ups there's downs there's pain

And there's a lot of emotional pain, physical pain,

And there's a lot of emotional pain physical pain

actually, that you have to go through if you want to make it.

actually that you have to go through if you want to make it

And this is just to say it's OK.

And this is just to say it's OK

One, it's OK to say what I want.

One it's OK to say what I want

One, it's OK to go for it.

One it's OK to go for it

And one, it's OK to have agency for yourself.

And one it's OK to have agency for yourself

And I think one of the most important things for a kid--

And I think one of the most important things for a kid-

JON: To advocate.

JON: To advocate

To advocate for yourself.

To advocate for yourself

I never had--

I never had-

Do people advocate for you?

Do people advocate for you

When you had dyslexia, because I know--

When you had dyslexia because I know-

and you've talked about this.

and you've talked about this

Your parents had very high expectations.

Your parents had very high expectations

For those of you who don't know,

For those of you who don't know

Ari's brother, Rahm Emanuel, worked

Ari's brother Rahm Emanuel worked

for Barack Obama and Bill Clinton

and was the mayor of Chicago.

and was the mayor of Chicago

And your brother, Zeke is a world renowned physician.

And your brother Zeke is a world renowned physician

ARI EMMANUEL: Correct.

ARI EMMANUEL: Correct

Oncologist.

Oncologist

JON: And that made you feel sometimes insecure.

JON: And that made you feel sometimes insecure

Well, my mom put our grades on the fridge.

Well my mom put our grades on the fridge

You walk in.

You walk in

A-plus, A-plus, idiot, you know.

A-plus A-plus idiot you know

And, like, I wanted my voice.

And like I wanted my voice

And not that-- I knew I wasn't stupid.

And not that- I knew I wasn't stupid

Just because you're dyslexic, you're not stupid.

Just because you're dyslexic you're not stupid

But I wanted that ability to make a name for myself.

But I wanted that ability to make a name for myself

And it takes going for it.

And it takes going for it

It takes agency.

It takes agency

And it takes believing in yourself in the face

of a lot of different things.

of a lot of different things

And the other thing it does is if somebody

tells you, no, you can't do it, which

tells you no you can't do it which

they told me I couldn't read.

they told me I couldn't read

They told me you shouldn't start an agency.

They told me you shouldn't start an agency

They told me a lot of things I couldn't do.

They told me a lot of things I couldn't do

But you have to believe.

But you have to believe

And that takes a lot emotionally, physically

And that takes a lot emotionally physically

to go up against people.

to go up against people

And that's not easy.

And that's not easy

You do talk a lot about the dyslexia,

You do talk a lot about the dyslexia

your brother's achievements.

your brother's achievements

It's set in you.

It's set in you

You begin the book with it, a rage and anger in you.

You begin the book with it a rage and anger in you

I don't see it right now.

I don't see it right now

But I've been on the phone and I've seen it.

But I've been on the phone and I've seen it

I have-- for you, I have--

I have- for you I have-

Love.

Love

--gone after people with rage.

-gone after people with rage

Yes.

Yes

Thank you.

Thank you

But where does-- is that where the rage is from?

But where does- is that where the rage is from

I didn't have a plan B. I found

I didn't have a plan B I found

the entertainment business.

the entertainment business

The minute I heard about it, I fell in love,

The minute I heard about it I fell in love

and I went for it.

and I went for it

And whether not going to business

school making $0.15 a mile.

school making 015 a mile

My brother's making fun of me.

My brother's making fun of me

My father's saying, what are you doing, in his heavy accent

My father's saying what are you doing in his heavy accent

and going--

and going-

JON: Ali, Ali.

JON: Ali Ali

Yeah.

Yeah

And so, for me, there was no plan B. There was only plan A.

And so for me there was no plan B There was only plan A

So I just had to make it work.

So I just had to make it work

And it didn't matter what it took, I did it.

And it didn't matter what it took I did it

Nothing illegal, but I did whatever it took to--

Nothing illegal but I did whatever it took to-

Nah.

Nah

I mean--

I mean-

Page 47.

Page 47

I don't want to say.

I don't want to say

I circled it.

I circled it

As you look back, because I think-- and I don't think

As you look back because I think- and I don't think

I'm speaking out of school here.

I'm speaking out of school here

But you have mellowed.

But you have mellowed

You've been on a journey.

You've been on a journey

Whoa.

Whoa

JON: Would that be fair to say?

JON: Would that be fair to say

You want to bring the wife out and see if she says--

You want to bring the wife out and see if she says-

the sun out there.

the sun out there

There's, like, three pages at the end

There's like three pages at the end

where I was like, oh, my God.

where I was like oh my God

Now, he's Forrest Gump.

Now he's Forrest Gump

Like what [BLEEP] happened?

Like what BLEEP happened

Here's what I would say happened.

Here's what I would say happened

Yes.

Yes

A businessman said to me at one point,

A businessman said to me at one point

he said, you have to know when you're on the field of business

he said you have to know when you're on the field of business

and when you're off the field of business.

and when you're off the field of business

And when you're on the field of business,

And when you're on the field of business

you do what you need to do.

you do what you need to do

And when you're off the field, you got to be off the field.

And when you're off the field you got to be off the field

And my wife always points out to me--

And my wife always points out to me-

and I've started a new business.

and I've started a new business

He says, when you're off the field, let's be off the field.

He says when you're off the field let's be off the field

And it has made me better on the field.

And it has made me better on the field

That doesn't mean there's not thousands of calls

and a lot of aggressive and--

and a lot of aggressive and-

Working hard is not the same as working angry.

Working hard is not the same as working angry

Correct.

Correct

And I have gone through a lot of work to get to--

And I have gone through a lot of work to get to-

You go on like licking toed expeditions.

You go on like licking toed expeditions

Correct, I do.

Correct I do

Now, what was that about?

Now what was that about

What are you trying to get a hold of?

What are you trying to get a hold of

Well, Dr. Calm, my shrink--

Well Dr Calm my shrink-

JON: Yes. - --said to me--

JON: Yes -said to me-

[LAUGHTER] His name is not Dr. Calm, by the way.

LAUGHTER His name is not Dr Calm by the way

No, definitely not.

No definitely not

He said to me at one point--

He said to me at one point-

Boy.

Boy

--you have an ego problem.

-you have an ego problem

And then we did a lot of work on the ego problem.

And then we did a lot of work on the ego problem

What was the ego problem?

What was the ego problem

Too much or too little? Or both.

Too much or too little Or both

Hello?

Hello

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about

And then-- - Too much.

And then- Too much

- Yeah. - All right.

Yeah All right

And he said at one point, which really stuck with me,

And he said at one point which really stuck with me

he goes, you know, this anger problem, ego problem,

he goes you know this anger problem ego problem

back in the '50s, people that were

back in the '50s people that were

really successful in business were considered smart.

really successful in business were considered smart

And for whatever reason, that statement hit me.

And for whatever reason that statement hit me

And I remember my parents coming into LA.

And I remember my parents coming into LA

And I picked them up at the airport.

And I picked them up at the airport

And we were talking about I had just taken over William Morris

with Patrick and everybody.

with Patrick and everybody

And I was explaining the business to my dad, who was

And I was explaining the business to my dad who was

asking me a question, my mom.

asking me a question my mom

And in the back seat, they go, well, who all does all that?

And in the back seat they go well who all does all that

And I said, well, it's not [BLEEP] my brother or

And I said well it's not BLEEP my brother or

my [BLEEP] brother Zeke. You know.

my BLEEP brother Zeke You know

Hello?

Hello

And that was my life.

And that was my life

And not a horrible way, in a beautiful way.

And not a horrible way in a beautiful way

And I then figured out, I'm not stupid.

And I then figured out I'm not stupid

And I'm not afraid of being found out.

And I'm not afraid of being found out

JON: But that's still sticking with--

JON: But that's still sticking with-

No, it does stick with me anymore.

No it does stick with me anymore

As you're leading WME, you're still driven by this idea

As you're leading WME you're still driven by this idea

that I'm not that dyslexic kid.

that I'm not that dyslexic kid

Well, if your mom and dad said that to you, like,

Well if your mom and dad said that to you like

who does all this stuff on this show?

who does all this stuff on this show

You would be like, well, you know.

You would be like well you know

You don't think that's what they--

You don't think that's what they-

of--

of-

[LAUGHTER]

LAUGHTER

My brother went to Princeton for [BLEEP] sake.

My brother went to Princeton for BLEEP sake

And so I realized, that's just something in the past.

And so I realized that's just something in the past

And I went on a journey trying to figure

out how to deal with that.

out how to deal with that

I did some psychedelics, even though my brother Zeke

I did some psychedelics even though my brother Zeke

says he would never do it.

says he would never do it

Even though he realizes that there's benefit to him.

Even though he realizes that there's benefit to him

And it helped me get through-- plus,

And it helped me get through- plus

being married to a wonderful woman-- this little ego thing.

being married to a wonderful woman- this little ego thing

JON: You feel like you've come to a different place.

JON: You feel like you've come to a different place

Yeah.

Yeah

And why does Rahm still give you shit?

And why does Rahm still give you shit

I think even at your wedding.

I think even at your wedding

ARI EMMANUEL: Yeah.

ARI EMMANUEL: Yeah

Like, he gave you shit at your wedding.

Like he gave you shit at your wedding

Yeah, that's just competition.

Yeah that's just competition

And listen, really, why I wrote the book,

And listen really why I wrote the book

I just want my mom to love me five seconds more than them.

I just want my mom to love me five seconds more than them

[LAUGHTER]

LAUGHTER

Did it work?

Did it work

What did you think?

What did you think

Let me just say something.

Let me just say something

My mom is still alive.

My mom is still alive

She's 93.

She's 93

I'm doing an event in Chicago.

I'm doing an event in Chicago

And she's coming.

And she's coming

And I'm going to roll her on stage

because she's in a wheelchair.

because she's in a wheelchair

She's still a monster, fantastic lady.

She's still a monster fantastic lady

And I think I got five days more

of love than those two guys.

of love than those two guys

Yeah, I do. I do.

Yeah I do I do

And that makes it all worth [BLEEP].

And that makes it all worth BLEEP

Yeah.

Yeah

You know what you could do to really screw Rahm over?

You know what you could do to really screw Rahm over

What?

What

Oh, dear God.

Oh dear God

This would be hilarious.

This would be hilarious

You should run for president.

You should run for president

[LAUGHTER]

LAUGHTER

You run for president.

You run for president

It would blow his mind.

It would blow his mind

Let me just say, some of the interviews,

Let me just say some of the interviews

is your brother running? And I--

is your brother running And I-

JON: They ask you if your brother--

JON: They ask you if your brother-

Rahm is running for president.

Rahm is running for president

No, he's not.

No he's not

He hasn't-- what are you talking about?

He hasn't- what are you talking about

- OK. - So here's what I would say.

OK So here's what I would say

Here's what I say.

Here's what I say

Here's what I say about my brother Rahm,

Here's what I say about my brother Rahm

who I love my brothers dearly.

who I love my brothers dearly

Thank God we're on different parts of the country.

Thank God we're on different parts of the country

One's in Washington, one's in--

One's in Washington one's in-

he worked in the Clinton administration, Congress,

he worked in the Clinton administration Congress

unbelievable mayor fought the teachers

union on strike for nine days.

union on strike for nine days

Then went into, I think, the tough Obamacare for President

Then went into I think the tough Obamacare for President

Obama, got through the financial crisis in '08, and he

Obama got through the financial crisis in '08 and he

then went into a region where he worked

with all our allies to combat what

I think is China's aggression.

I think is China's aggression

Right.

Right

If you're asking me, if, not that he is running,

If you're asking me if not that he is running

there's not one person more qualified

than my brother to do it. And--

than my brother to do it And-

Really?

Really

--he'd make an incredible president, and I would

-he'd make an incredible president and I would

be unbelievably proud of him.

be unbelievably proud of him

[CHEERING APPLAUSE]

CHEERING APPLAUSE

Oh, my God.

Oh my God

You're buying this?

You're buying this

Guys, hold on one second.

Guys hold on one second

Hold on one second.

Hold on one second

He's an agent.

He's an agent

His whole job is, that's how he got Tyler Perry

His whole job is that's how he got Tyler Perry

his own [BLEEP] studio.

his own BLEEP studio

There is not one actor I would trust more--

There is not one actor I would trust more-

Than you.

Than you

--than Madea.

-than Madea

Um fantastic.

Um fantastic

But you don't-- it's so interesting to me,

But you don't- it's so interesting to me

because when I read this book, I

because when I read this book I

have to say, I had a feeling for you

have to say I had a feeling for you

that I hadn't had before.

that I hadn't had before

There's a lot of this that feels like you don't enjoy it.

There's a lot of this that feels like you don't enjoy it

That there were moments, you talk about your thyroid gave

That there were moments you talk about your thyroid gave

out and you lost 20 pounds.

out and you lost 20 pounds

That you were squeezing it so hard--

That you were squeezing it so hard-

Yeah.

Yeah

--that it felt torturous to you to live it.

-that it felt torturous to you to live it

Is that how it felt going through it?

Is that how it felt going through it

Did you enjoy it?

Did you enjoy it

I've loved every minute.

I've loved every minute

For real.

For real

Peo-- people say, are you happy, because I asked

Peo- people say are you happy because I asked

the question, are you happy.

the question are you happy

Are you happy.

Are you happy

I would say the following.

I would say the following

I'm first of all, what the [BLEEP] is happy?

I'm first of all what the BLEEP is happy

But second of all, I'm satisfied.

But second of all I'm satisfied

I'm happy.

I'm happy

And as my mother taught us when we were growing up,

And as my mother taught us when we were growing up

would you like to have a meaningful life or

a life of pleasure?

a life of pleasure

I would rather have a meaningful life, because that

I would rather have a meaningful life because that

is a life of pleasure.

is a life of pleasure

And I have had an incredible, meaningful life.

And I have had an incredible meaningful life

I've enjoyed all of it.

I've enjoyed all of it

It has been brutal at times.

It has been brutal at times

But I have learned a ton.

But I have learned a ton

You did something, speaking of that, meaningful life that

You did something speaking of that meaningful life that

can be brutal at times, you went to,

can be brutal at times you went to

you're being honored at this Simon Wiesenthal Center, which

you're being honored at this Simon Wiesenthal Center which

is a huge Jewish organization.

is a huge Jewish organization

In your speech, you stand up.

In your speech you stand up

This is two years ago?

This is two years ago

Yeah.

Yeah

And you give a jeremiad against Bibi Netanyahu--

And you give a jeremiad against Bibi Netanyahu-

Yeah.

Yeah

--and his treatment of Palestinians.

-and his treatment of Palestinians

Yeah.

Yeah

And-- and Israel's complicity in that

And- and Israel's complicity in that

Yeah.

Yeah

To the point where people are booing you and walking out.

To the point where people are booing you and walking out

Yeah.

Yeah

Huzzah.

Huzzah

Because that's not an easy thing to do.

Because that's not an easy thing to do

[CHEERING APPLAUSE]

CHEERING APPLAUSE

I give you a tremendous amount of credit.

I give you a tremendous amount of credit

Here-- here-- here's what I--

Here- here- here's what I-

Right.

Right

That-- that goes to my mom and my dad.

That- that goes to my mom and my dad

They took us down to protest civil rights movements

in Chicago, three little boys were walking

in Chicago three little boys were walking

down there from the suburbs.

down there from the suburbs

But you're like a real, like, you're a Sabbath Jew.

But you're like a real like you're a Sabbath Jew

Like, you do the whole-- - Yeah.

Like you do the whole- Yeah

Like, if I did that, people would

Like if I did that people would

be like, well, sure, he has a bacon,

be like well sure he has a bacon

egg, and cheese sandwich for Passover, But you--

egg and cheese sandwich for Passover But you-

But I'm--

But I'm-

--but you really--

-but you really-

--I'm willing to stand up for what I believe in, what-- what

-I'm willing to stand up for what I believe in what- what

I-- what I think is right.

I- what I think is right

And what I think is not right.

And what I think is not right

When my brother was in the White House

during the Obama administration,

during the Obama administration

Bibi Netanyahu in a meeting said, you're a self-hating Jew.

Bibi Netanyahu in a meeting said you're a self-hating Jew

And I think my brother's speech in Israel,

And I think my brother's speech in Israel

where he talked about, he's not making Jews in Israel safe,

where he talked about he's not making Jews in Israel safe

those are things that are important to do,

those are things that are important to do

and you have to stand up for yourself, have your voice,

and you have to stand up for yourself have your voice

have agency.

have agency

And those are the things my mom taught me.

And those are the things my mom taught me

Right. Well done.

Right Well done

I appreciate that.

I appreciate that

What would you do as an agent?

What would you do as an agent

I'll give you one.

I'll give you one

This will be a nice little test.

This will be a nice little test

Let's say you're an agent and you got a big music star,

Let's say you're an agent and you got a big music star

and his opening act goes out and says things that,

and his opening act goes out and says things that

and you're the kind of music star

that's just out there, like, I wear

that's just out there like I wear

dungarees with your picture on it, like that kind of shit.

dungarees with your picture on it like that kind of shit

How would you, as an agent, and then stadiums start to cancel

How would you as an agent and then stadiums start to cancel

and they say you got to get rid of these guys,

and they say you got to get rid of these guys

if you're representing Ed Sheeran--

if you're representing Ed Sheeran-

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm

--what do you do?

-what do you do

We'll go through it.

We'll go through it

I'll have you represent Macklemore,

I'll have you represent Macklemore

I'll have you represent Ed Sheeran,

I'll have you represent Ed Sheeran

and I'll have you represent Bob Kraft.

and I'll have you represent Bob Kraft

Well, I'll just do Macklemore for you.

Well I'll just do Macklemore for you

Do-- the the Macklemore.

Do- the the Macklemore

So, as I would say to you is the following.

So as I would say to you is the following

I do not believe what is happening in the West Bank

is fair and right and just.

is fair and right and just

But if you're talking about, and

But if you're talking about and

I had this conversation with a client recently, and we can

I had this conversation with a client recently and we can

all-- the great thing is, I'm OK to have a discussion,

all- the great thing is I'm OK to have a discussion

disagree and have a-- and get better.

disagree and have a- and get better

Absolutely.

Absolutely

But I don't believe the word genocide

is the proper word for what happened in the West Bank.

is the proper word for what happened in the West Bank

- You don't? - I do not.

You don't I do not

So that's-- so that would be your complaint

So that's- so that would be your complaint

about Macklemore. - And I would have--

about Macklemore And I would have-

I would have this conversation with him

where we can sit down as human beings.

where we can sit down as human beings

I don't want to live in a country that is a cult

or in a kind of echo chamber.

or in a kind of echo chamber

I want to have a conversation with him--

I want to have a conversation with him-

Understand.

Understand

--where we can all sit there and say, OK,

-where we can all sit there and say OK

here's the one argument, here's the other,

here's the one argument here's the other

and let's get to a point where we can have a conversation.

and let's get to a point where we can have a conversation

But even if it's not the proper word.

But even if it's not the proper word

Do I think, do I think what, do

Do I think do I think what do

I think it needed to go to the extent it needed to go to?

I think it needed to go to the extent it needed to go to

Right, that they would literally have a guy say,

Right that they would literally have a guy say

you're not coming into my stadium

because that's dangerous.

because that's dangerous

That's my question.

That's my question

Right.

Right

Well, that's a conversation I would

Well that's a conversation I would

have with Bob Kraft and those people about their opinions

about those things.

about those things

Who would you say--

Who would you say-

- This is a lot of gray. - Right.

This is a lot of gray Right

And--

And-

Who would you say [BLEEP] you to first?

Who would you say BLEEP you to first

I say [BLEEP] you to a lot of people first.

I say BLEEP you to a lot of people first

I meant in this-- in this situation.

I meant in this- in this situation

- I wouldn't-- - Would you-- would you--

I wouldn't- Would you- would you-

In this situation, it's too delicate to say F you.

In this situation it's too delicate to say F you

Would you have encouraged Bob Kraft not to have canceled,

Would you have encouraged Bob Kraft not to have canceled

not to have threatened to pull those guys?

not to have threatened to pull those guys

Bob Kraft, I don't know if you know, he does, you know,

Bob Kraft I don't know if you know he does you know

the Blue Square.

the Blue Square

I don't know what that means.

I don't know what that means

He does, he has given a lot of money

He does he has given a lot of money

to a movement to stop hate.

to a movement to stop hate

And--

And-

How's that going?

How's that going

Well, you know something?

Well you know something

We need more of that. - Yeah.

We need more of that Yeah

We need more people talking about,

We need more people talking about

let's not hate each other, let's talk to each other.

let's not hate each other let's talk to each other

And let's not talk about things that are really kind of,

And let's not talk about things that are really kind of

I think--

I think-

let's all get on the same page about what we're discussing.

let's all get on the same page about what we're discussing

We can disagree, but let's not be disagreeable.

We can disagree but let's not be disagreeable

I think people have said that.

I think people have said that

And Bob Kraft is doing an incredible job

with-- with the Blue Square to try and combat hate.

with- with the Blue Square to try and combat hate

And I don't like hate anywhere in the world.

And I don't like hate anywhere in the world

And I don't like Jews committing hate on--

And I don't like Jews committing hate on-

on West Bank Palestinians.

on West Bank Palestinians

I don't like any of it, and I think

I don't like any of it and I think

there's a way to-- to kind of-- we

there's a way to- to kind of- we

have to keep on having this conversation.

have to keep on having this conversation

Do you believe what he said on stage was hate?

Do you believe what he said on stage was hate

I don't think it was completely

understanding the facts.

understanding the facts

And I think it was belittling to Jewish people, too.

And I think it was belittling to Jewish people too

So if someone got on stage and said,

So if someone got on stage and said

like, Happy Hanukkah or--

like Happy Hanukkah or-

Well, as I said in the book, there

Well as I said in the book there

are certain people that have said things that I think

are hateful.

are hateful

Right.

Right

And I've written about Mel Gibson and Kanye

that I didn't think were right.

that I didn't think were right

How do you--

How do you-

you know, it's so interesting, because it

you know it's so interesting because it

is, the people in this book, like you're

is the people in this book like you're

in with very powerful people, and there are bodies

in with very powerful people and there are bodies

and they are buried and like, you

and they are buried and like you

have relationships that are severed,

have relationships that are severed

people that you came up with. - Yeah.

people that you came up with Yeah

And it's been difficult.

And it's been difficult

Yeah.

Yeah

And you write about Mel Gibson

and how upset you were, and Kanye and all that.

and how upset you were and Kanye and all that

But Elon escapes, you know, he's still

But Elon escapes you know he's still

a very good friend of yours.

a very good friend of yours

Yeah.

Yeah

But he's very clearly, I don't

But he's very clearly I don't

know if you get his Twitter feed,

know if you get his Twitter feed

but I can't, I can't stop it somehow.

but I can't I can't stop it somehow

Here's what I would say.

Here's what I would say

I think he's done incredible things for the human race

and continues to do great, unbelievable things.

and continues to do great unbelievable things

And when I--

And when I-

So you hold Macklemore to the higher standard.

So you hold Macklemore to the higher standard

--when-- when I, no, listen.

-when- when I no listen

When-- when I disagree with him--

When- when I disagree with him-

Yeah.

Yeah

--when I disagree with him, he and I have a conversation

-when I disagree with him he and I have a conversation

where we have a very intense conversation and hopefully,

where we have a very intense conversation and hopefully

I have moved him.

I have moved him

In this situation.

In this situation

I would have the conversation, and--

I would have the conversation and-

Do you still do that?

Do you still do that

Like, can you call him up and go

Like can you call him up and go

like, hey, what's with the Rhodesia nostalgia pictures?

like hey what's with the Rhodesia nostalgia pictures

I-- I text him all the time about stuff, yeah.

I- I text him all the time about stuff yeah

And he accepts that?

And he accepts that

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah

We get into very good conversations about it.

We get into very good conversations about it

And heated.

And heated

And I think that's a good thing.

And I think that's a good thing

Again, I do not want to live in a cult.

Again I do not want to live in a cult

I want to live in a society. In

I want to live in a society In

Right right right.

Right right right

In society, you have to talk.

In society you have to talk

You're a complicated individual.

You're a complicated individual

But I, listen, but I enjoy you very much.

But I listen but I enjoy you very much

I enjoy talking to you.

I enjoy talking to you

And I very much enjoyed the book.

And I very much enjoyed the book

Great.

Great

Because my favorite part about the whole book is just

out of nowhere, and this is random,

out of nowhere and this is random

and this is very inside baseball, but you [BLEEP]

and this is very inside baseball but you BLEEP

hate Jeffrey Katzenberg. And that's--

hate Jeffrey Katzenberg And that's-

Yeah.

Yeah

--like, that's so funny to me.

-like that's so funny to me

Well, I mean, he-- he--

Well I mean he- he-

I was, we were a small agency.

I was we were a small agency

Yeah.

Yeah

He tries, we get these seats right next to the Laker bench

He tries we get these seats right next to the Laker bench

in the heyday.

in the heyday

Phil Jackson.

Phil Jackson

This is the best.

This is the best

Shaq, Kobe, we're winning.

Shaq Kobe we're winning

We can't afford these seats.

We can't afford these seats

And getting Lakers tickets is for your business,

And getting Lakers tickets is for your business

you look like a big guy. You're making deals.

you look like a big guy You're making deals

- We look enormous. - Yes.

We look enormous Yes

- Billboard. - Yes.

Billboard Yes

He goes behind my back, I have a contract,

He goes behind my back I have a contract

tries to steal 'em.

tries to steal 'em

Your Lakers seats.

Your Lakers seats

On Yom Kippur.

On Yom Kippur

And I go, I'm--

And I go I'm-

I'm going to sue you.

I'm going to sue you

And I go.

And I go

Then, he doesn't give what we're starting out,

Then he doesn't give what we're starting out

doesn't give us a package on a Jeffrey Lane show.

doesn't give us a package on a Jeffrey Lane show

Then, I scream--

Then I scream-

A package is, you get a-- a percentage of the profits

A package is you get a- a percentage of the profits

and things like that.

and things like that

And a fee that goes along when you

bring like the director and an actor and a few other people.

bring like the director and an actor and a few other people

And then there's some other things that he does.

And then there's some other things that he does

And then I had a problem with--

And then I had a problem with-

he called me up and says, do you want to meet and

he called me up and says do you want to meet and

give money to President Biden?

give money to President Biden

I said, do you think I need you to help

I said do you think I need you to help

me get to President Biden?

me get to President Biden

My brother was in the White House.

My brother was in the White House

And then, and then, and then when

And then and then and then when

things go south, when things go south and President--

things go south when things go south and President-

President Biden, it's going south and I'm going nuts,

President Biden it's going south and I'm going nuts

like I said a year before, like--

like I said a year before like-

Yeah yeah yeah.

Yeah yeah yeah

He's not working-- - This is not right.

He's not working- This is not right

Yeah.

Yeah

Raising the money, I can get you in a room.

Raising the money I can get you in a room

I call him up, does nothing.

I call him up does nothing

I'm like, what the [BLEEP] are we talking about here,

I'm like what the BLEEP are we talking about here

you know?

you know

Like, if you say you can do it one time, go deal with it.

Like if you say you can do it one time go deal with it

But you said literally you were

on a date with your wife, your present wife,

on a date with your wife your present wife

and he was sitting next to you, and you asked to move loudly

and he was sitting next to you and you asked to move loudly

while sitting next to him.

while sitting next to him

Yeah.

Yeah

And that's it.

And that's it

No.

Of all the people you run in the world with,

Of all the people you run in the world with

of all the Elons and Kanye and all the Blue Squares, the one

of all the Elons and Kanye and all the Blue Squares the one

guy-- - No, but no.

guy- No but no

That guy--

That guy-

[BLEEP] you on tickets.

BLEEP you on tickets

That-- that guy is a guy who, from my perspective--

That- that guy is a guy who from my perspective-

Yeah.

Yeah

--is, does stuff that it's only about himself.

-is does stuff that it's only about himself

All the stuff he talks about is about his own reflection.

All the stuff he talks about is about his own reflection

And yeah, he definitely [BLEEP] me,

And yeah he definitely BLEEP me

and I was not going to put up with it.

and I was not going to put up with it

[CHEERING APPLAUSE]

CHEERING APPLAUSE

So, it's such a great story.

So it's such a great story

By the way, and it's all, all of it is in here.

By the way and it's all all of it is in here

The Lakers story, like, it's great.

The Lakers story like it's great

And if you're in the business, it's great.

And if you're in the business it's great

And if you're not--

And if you're not-

Well, I'm definitely not.

Well I'm definitely not

It's not a-- I'm not saying there,

It's not a- I'm not saying there

here's all the things that I did great.

here's all the things that I did great

There's a lot of stupid shit I did in that book

Yeah. Crazy.

Yeah Crazy

Yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah it's crazy

I love it.

I love it

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