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Good to be with you Kamali. I'm speaking
Good
to
be
with
you
Kamali
I'm
speaking
to you from the prime minister's office
to
you
from
the
prime
minister's
office
in Jerusalem. Uh I can tell you that
in
Jerusalem
Uh
I
can
tell
you
that
there was a profound sense of shock uh
there
was
a
profound
sense
of
shock
uh
in this country at that awful attempt at
in
this
country
at
that
awful
attempt
at
that awful terrorist attack and also the
that
awful
terrorist
attack
and
also
the
fact that unfortunately the Jewish uh
fact
that
unfortunately
the
Jewish
uh
worshippers were hit by police gunfire
worshippers
were
hit
by
police
gunfire
as well. That was also pretty shocking.
as
well
That
was
also
pretty
shocking
But ultimately the shock goes only up to
But
ultimately
the
shock
goes
only
up
to
a certain point because these were these
a
certain
point
because
these
were
these
were attacks that Jews around the world
were
attacks
that
Jews
around
the
world
not at least in the UK, expected. Uh they
not
at
least
in
the
UK
expected
Uh
they
are the result of the rhetoric of the
are
the
result
of
the
rhetoric
of
the
government and unfortunately whether the
government
and
unfortunately
whether
the
government like it or not in the UK the
government
like
it
or
not
in
the
UK
the
terrorists went to do the act thinking
terrorists
went
to
do
the
act
thinking
that they had the backing of the British
that
they
had
the
backing
of
the
British
government. Whether the government's
government
Whether
the
government's
intention was that or not, the terrorist
intention
was
that
or
not
the
terrorist
did the act thinking he had the backing
did
the
act
thinking
he
had
the
backing
of the British government. He also
of
the
British
government
He
also
probably thought that he had the backing
probably
thought
that
he
had
the
backing
of the BBC. He probably thought he had
of
the
BBC
He
probably
thought
he
had
the backing of Sky News as well because
the
backing
of
Sky
News
as
well
because
of this excessive demonization of Israel
of
this
excessive
demonization
of
Israel
which you guys have been engaged in for
which
you
guys
have
been
engaged
in
for
the last two years.
the
last
two
years
David, I really wish that we hadn't sent
David
I
really
wish
that
we
hadn't
sent
into an attack on the organization or
into
an
attack
on
the
organization
or
onto the BBC. understand the the point
onto
the
BBC
understand
the
the
point
you're making, but you'll know that Sky
you're
making
but
you'll
know
that
Sky
News will reject that accusation. I'm
News
will
reject
that
accusation
I'm
sure the government will reject that
sure
the
government
will
reject
that
accusation. I'm sure the BBC will as
accusation
I'm
sure
the
BBC
will
as
well. Um, I do want to move on to
well
Um
I
do
want
to
move
on
to
situation in Gaza, but just because of
situation
in
Gaza
but
just
because
of
the uh comment there, the result of
the
uh
comment
there
the
result
of
rhetoric, do you think that this
rhetoric
do
you
think
that
this
individual felt like he had the backing
individual
felt
like
he
had
the
backing
of the UK government? I mean, David, you
of
the
UK
government
I
mean
David
you
know, the David Men, you know the UK
know
the
David
Men
you
know
the
UK
government, you know David Lammy
government
you
know
David
Lammy
personally. You don't seriously think do
personally
You
don't
seriously
think
do
you that Zakir Sama, David Lammy
you
that
Zakir
Sama
David
Lammy
Shibbanmood, anyone in this government or
Shibbanmood
anyone
in
this
government
or
the previous government through their
the
previous
government
through
their
actions would give any kind of
actions
would
give
any
kind
of
justification for this individual's
justification
for
this
individual's
acts.
acts
Kamali I'll tell you how British Jews
Kamali
I'll
tell
you
how
British
Jews
feel and I can also tell you how uh
feel
and
I
can
also
tell
you
how
uh
Israel feels. Israel feels that weakness
Israel
feels
Israel
feels
that
weakness
on behalf of the government, giving in
on
behalf
of
the
government
giving
in
to terrorist demands, uh calling for a
to
terrorist
demands
uh
calling
for
a
Palestinian state directly as a result
Palestinian
state
directly
as
a
result
of the October 7th uh massacre, which
of
the
October
7th
uh
massacre
which
Hamas themselves thanked the British
Hamas
themselves
thanked
the
British
government for. They Hamas thanked the
government
for
They
Hamas
thanked
the
British government for that declaration.
British
government
for
that
declaration
All of those actions mean that the
All
of
those
actions
mean
that
the
terrorist unfortunately did his
terrorist
unfortunately
did
his
dastardly deed thinking, however
dastardly
deed
thinking
however
misguided, thinking that he had the
misguided
thinking
that
he
had
the
backing of the British government. Now,
backing
of
the
British
government
Now
if you want to play a constructive role
if
you
want
to
play
a
constructive
role
in this conflict, then the only
in
this
conflict
then
the
only
constructive role to play is to call on
constructive
role
to
play
is
to
call
on
Hamas to release our hostages now. You
Hamas
to
release
our
hostages
now
You
don't need a deal to do that. That just
don't
need
a
deal
to
do
that
That
just
proves you're a human being. and for
proves
you're
a
human
being
and
for
Hamas to lay down their arms that would
Hamas
to
lay
down
their
arms
that
would
bring an end to this conflict in an
bring
an
end
to
this
conflict
in
an
instant.
instant
And again, I'm sure the government will
And
again
I'm
sure
the
government
will
would reject that point. But David,
would
reject
that
point
But
David
let's move on then to the situation in
let's
move
on
then
to
the
situation
in
Gaza. The Israeli prime minister
Gaza
The
Israeli
prime
minister
overnight said all the hostages are
overnight
said
all
the
hostages
are
close to being released. He said hopes
close
to
being
released
He
said
hopes
it will happen within uh the feast of
it
will
happen
within
uh
the
feast
of
the Tabernacle. I understand that's up
the
Tabernacle
I
understand
that's
up
to the 13th of October. Bombing has
to
the
13th
of
October
Bombing
has
continued overnight and this morning.
continued
overnight
and
this
morning
Donald Trump had called for that to end.
Donald
Trump
had
called
for
that
to
end
Will the bombing end?
Will
the
bombing
end
Israel and the US are working uh side by
Israel
and
the
US
are
working
uh
side
by
side. You would have seen that
side
You
would
have
seen
that
partnership in play. I saw it with with
partnership
in
play
I
saw
it
with
with
my own eyes at the White House uh just
my
own
eyes
at
the
White
House
uh
just
last week. The prime minister and the
last
week
The
prime
minister
and
the
president are in extremely uh regular um
president
are
in
extremely
uh
regular
um
uh discussions, very regular contact uh
uh
discussions
very
regular
contact
uh
precisely because we want our hostages
precisely
because
we
want
our
hostages
out straight away. All of them in one
out
straight
away
All
of
them
in
one
go, not in drips and drabs. 48 of them,
go
not
in
drips
and
drabs
48
of
them
unfortunately, are still there. 20 of
unfortunately
are
still
there
20
of
them we believe are still alive. All of
them
we
believe
are
still
alive
All
of
them need to be released. Now when it
them
need
to
be
released
Now
when
it
comes to uh aspects of this uh deal,
comes
to
uh
aspects
of
this
uh
deal
Israel will of course adhere to and
Israel
will
of
course
adhere
to
and
Israel is adhering uh to this deal. It
Israel
is
adhering
uh
to
this
deal
It
is now all eyes on Hamas.
is
now
all
eyes
on
Hamas
Will this uh dastardly terrorist
Will
this
uh
dastardly
terrorist
organization indeed go ahead and release
organization
indeed
go
ahead
and
release
our hostages? Will they indeed uh lay
our
hostages
Will
they
indeed
uh
lay
down their arms? Will they indeed
down
their
arms
Will
they
indeed
provide some restbite for their own
provide
some
restbite
for
their
own
people, never mind the people of Israel,
people
never
mind
the
people
of
Israel
their own people who who they have
their
own
people
who
who
they
have
sacrificed in the most inhumane way.
sacrificed
in
the
most
inhumane
way
David Mens, will the bombing stop? Then
David
Mens
will
the
bombing
stop
Then
Israel will act completely within the
Israel
will
act
completely
within
the
confines of this deal. Israel has always
confines
of
this
deal
Israel
has
always
accepted every uh negotiation process.
accepted
every
uh
negotiation
process
So when there is a call for uh for there
So
when
there
is
a
call
for
uh
for
there
to be a sessation of fire, for there to
to
be
a
sessation
of
fire
for
there
to
stop to be um uh
stop
to
be
um
uh
Well, Donald Trump said exactly that a
Well
Donald
Trump
said
exactly
that
a
couple of days ago, didn't he?
couple
of
days
ago
didn't
he
So again, you're taking the line of
So
again
you're
taking
the
line
of
Hamas Kamali, which you've done
Hamas
Kamali
which
you've
done
consistently. I'll give you that. You
consistently
I'll
give
you
that
You
are consistent.
are
consistent
That's not fair. Donald Trump, yes, it
That's
not
fair
Donald
Trump
yes
it
is fair. Yes, it is fair. Yes, it is
is
fair
Yes
it
is
fair
Yes
it
is
fair. You have consistently taken the
fair
You
have
consistently
taken
the
line of Hamas. Israel always
line
of
Hamas
Israel
always
In what regard have I taken the line of
In
what
regard
have
I
taken
the
line
of
Hamas? But I hope that you and I are
Hamas
But
I
hope
that
you
and
I
are
going to have a constructive
going
to
have
a
constructive
conversation today.
conversation
today
Yes, I'm happy to have a constructive uh
Yes
I'm
happy
to
have
a
constructive
uh
So don't accuse me of taking the line of
So
don't
accuse
me
of
taking
the
line
of
a terror group.
a
terror
group
Well, that's exactly what you have done
Well
that's
exactly
what
you
have
done
consistently uh for the last two years.
consistently
uh
for
the
last
two
years
You have taken that said,
You
have
taken
that
said
this is not our first rodeo. We've had
this
is
not
our
first
rodeo
We've
had
many conversations and I've heard you
many
conversations
and
I've
heard
you
repeat back to me Hamas rhetoric again
repeat
back
to
me
Hamas
rhetoric
again
and again. You can shake your hand if
and
again
You
can
shake
your
hand
if
you want to.
you
want
to
You as a media also bear some
You
as
a
media
also
bear
some
responsibility for the attacks on Jews.
responsibility
for
the
attacks
on
Jews
Yes, we're not to do that. No, we're
Yes
we're
not
to
do
that
No
we're
not. Okay, let's let's get some
not
Okay
let's
let's
get
some
specifics, can we? Because you're
specifics
can
we
Because
you're
attacking me for some reason
attacking
me
for
some
reason
when I'm trying to get some answers from
when
I'm
trying
to
get
some
answers
from
you as a spokesperson for the Israeli
you
as
a
spokesperson
for
the
Israeli
government. So, um, strikes have
government
So
um
strikes
have
continued. You're not telling me when
continued
You're
not
telling
me
when
those strikes will stop. Um, currently
those
strikes
will
stop
Um
currently
the Israeli military covers about 80% of
the
Israeli
military
covers
about
80
of
the enclave. The idea, I think, is to
the
enclave
The
idea
I
think
is
to
withdraw to about 15%.
withdraw
to
about
15
Now both sides seem to be waiting for
Now
both
sides
seem
to
be
waiting
for
the other side to do something. Hamas
the
other
side
to
do
something
Hamas
haven't announced that they will disarm.
haven't
announced
that
they
will
disarm
Israel hasn't fully said that it will
Israel
hasn't
fully
said
that
it
will
withdraw. As the democracy in the
withdraw
As
the
democracy
in
the
situation, is it incumbent upon Israel
situation
is
it
incumbent
upon
Israel
to withdraw and allow international
to
withdraw
and
allow
international
actors to come in and ensure that the
actors
to
come
in
and
ensure
that
the
terror group disarm?
terror
group
disarm
Kamali, the first aspect of this deal is
Kamali
the
first
aspect
of
this
deal
is
the release of our hostages. Everything
the
release
of
our
hostages
Everything
follows from that fact. It's as simple
follows
from
that
fact
It's
as
simple
as that. It isn't complicated. The first
as
that
It
isn't
complicated
The
first
aspect of this deal, which is why
aspect
of
this
deal
which
is
why
Israel's people are behind it and why
Israel's
people
are
behind
it
and
why
Israel's government is behind it, is the
Israel's
government
is
behind
it
is
the
release of all of our hostages. Once
release
of
all
of
our
hostages
Once
that happens, then the subsequent
that
happens
then
the
subsequent
aspects of this uh agreement will come
aspects
of
this
uh
agreement
will
come
into place. Israel will always agree uh
into
place
Israel
will
always
agree
uh
to act within the confines of the
to
act
within
the
confines
of
the
agreement as we always have. As you
agreement
as
we
always
have
As
you
rightly said, we are democracy and
rightly
said
we
are
democracy
and
Israel will always act uh within the
Israel
will
always
act
uh
within
the
the parts of that agreement.
the
parts
of
that
agreement
Unfortunately, Hamas uh through their
Unfortunately
Hamas
uh
through
their
actions have proved again and again that
actions
have
proved
again
and
again
that
they are the terrorist organization.
they
are
the
terrorist
organization
They've been uh true to their name. Uh
They've
been
uh
true
to
their
name
Uh
whether the BBC or indeed you Sky call
whether
the
BBC
or
indeed
you
Sky
call
them a terrorist organization, they are
them
a
terrorist
organization
they
are
a terrorist organization. The best thing
a
terrorist
organization
The
best
thing
that could happen right now is for our
that
could
happen
right
now
is
for
our
hostages to be released as quickly, as
hostages
to
be
released
as
quickly
as
soon as possible, 20 alive,
soon
as
possible
20
alive
unfortunately the dead for a decent
unfortunately
the
dead
for
a
decent
burial to be returned home to Israel.
burial
to
be
returned
home
to
Israel
and then every single other aspect of
and
then
every
single
other
aspect
of
that uh 20point plan can come into play.
that
uh
20point
plan
can
come
into
play
Now, of course, there were huge protests
Now
of
course
there
were
huge
protests
yet again in Tel Aviv demanding the
yet
again
in
Tel
Aviv
demanding
the
hostages be released. Um you'll know
hostages
be
released
Um
you'll
know
that Hamas on the other side are looking
that
Hamas
on
the
other
side
are
looking
for Palestinian prisoners to be
for
Palestinian
prisoners
to
be
released. Are we clear as to who will be
released
Are
we
clear
as
to
who
will
be
part of that um release of Palestinian
part
of
that
um
release
of
Palestinian
prisoners?
prisoners
Kamali, I'm not going to discuss that uh
Kamali
I'm
not
going
to
discuss
that
uh
the details of that part of the deal. It
the
details
of
that
part
of
the
deal
It
is uh let me let me give you uh so I can
is
uh
let
me
let
me
give
you
uh
so
I
can
answer all of your questions. Every
answer
all
of
your
questions
Every
single aspect of the deal that we've
single
aspect
of
the
deal
that
we've
worked together with the Americans will
worked
together
with
the
Americans
will
be adhered to. Um we are talking about
be
adhered
to
Um
we
are
talking
about
extremely painful exchanges. We're
extremely
painful
exchanges
We're
talking about the release of our
talking
about
the
release
of
our
innocent civilian hostages for murderers
innocent
civilian
hostages
for
murderers
in our prisons. People that have
in
our
prisons
People
that
have
committed murder, people that have been
committed
murder
people
that
have
been
convicted of murder or Hamas terrorists
convicted
of
murder
or
Hamas
terrorists
that we've captured during this conflict
that
we've
captured
during
this
conflict
with the terrorist organization in Gaza.
with
the
terrorist
organization
in
Gaza
These are very very difficult um things
These
are
very
very
difficult
um
things
for Israelis to to handle to deal with
for
Israelis
to
to
handle
to
deal
with
to come to terms with but we believe
to
come
to
terms
with
but
we
believe
that human life is the most important is
that
human
life
is
the
most
important
is
of course sacrianked. So we we want to
of
course
sacrianked
So
we
we
want
to
bring all of our hostages home and
bring
all
of
our
hostages
home
and
because of that fact we are unh we are
because
of
that
fact
we
are
unh
we
are
willing to release even murderers people
willing
to
release
even
murderers
people
with blood on their hands people that
with
blood
on
their
hands
people
that
say that they wish to carry out attacks
say
that
they
wish
to
carry
out
attacks
again and again and again. Of course,
again
and
again
and
again
Of
course
women and children have also been held
women
and
children
have
also
been
held
in uh Israeli jails as as a result of
in
uh
Israeli
jails
as
as
a
result
of
this. Now, just want to finish
this
Now
just
want
to
finish
perhaps you could share with me
perhaps
you
could
share
with
me
Kamali, Kamali, perhaps you could share
Kamali
Kamali
perhaps
you
could
share
with these women and children you feel
with
these
women
and
children
you
feel
are in Israeli captivity. Israel is a
are
in
Israeli
captivity
Israel
is
a
democracy when we take actions when
democracy
when
we
take
actions
when
there have been terrorist attacks
there
have
been
terrorist
attacks
carried out by children. Yes, it is
carried
out
by
children
Yes
it
is
possible. A 17-year-old is still
possible
A
17-year-old
is
still
considered a child but still has carried
considered
a
child
but
still
has
carried
out terrorist attacks. This is a
out
terrorist
attacks
This
is
a
democracy. So those throwaway marks that
democracy
So
those
throwaway
marks
that
we somehow lock up women and children,
we
somehow
lock
up
women
and
children
it's outrageous. It's a slur and is part
it's
outrageous
It's
a
slur
and
is
part
of the reason that Israel and Jews have
of
the
reason
that
Israel
and
Jews
have
been demonized in the UK because of
been
demonized
in
the
UK
because
of
those slurs.
those
slurs
Amazing you're still uh suggesting that
Amazing
you're
still
uh
suggesting
that
about me, David Mens. But let me just
about
me
David
Mens
But
let
me
just
ask you this final question. The an
ask
you
this
final
question
The
an
Israeli minister, Amitaya Chickley, has
Israeli
minister
Amitaya
Chickley
has
invited Tommy Robinson to Israel,
invited
Tommy
Robinson
to
Israel
calling him a courageous leader. Why is
calling
him
a
courageous
leader
Why
is
Tommy Robinson, a man who has been
Tommy
Robinson
a
man
who
has
been
convicted in this country for
convicted
in
this
country
for
incitements to racism and terrorism,
incitements
to
racism
and
terrorism
being uh invited to Israel?
being
uh
invited
to
Israel
Well, whether Tommy Robinson comes to
Well
whether
Tommy
Robinson
comes
to
Israel or not, Tommy is uh part of
Israel
or
not
Tommy
is
uh
part
of
British culture. I noted that he he
British
culture
I
noted
that
he
he
brought uh on the streets of uh the UK
brought
uh
on
the
streets
of
uh
the
UK
hundreds of thousands, if not millions
hundreds
of
thousands
if
not
millions
of people. So this is really a question
of
people
So
this
is
really
a
question
for um the UK how it deals with how it
for
um
the
UK
how
it
deals
with
how
it
deals with
deals
with
someone within your government's
someone
within
your
government's
inviting him calling him courageous.
inviting
him
calling
him
courageous
Well anyone that stands up against
Well
anyone
that
stands
up
against
Islamism you know deputies call him a
Islamism
you
know
deputies
call
him
a
thug.
thug
Yeah. and I represent the state of
Yeah
and
I
represent
the
state
of
Israel and um anyone that stands up to
Israel
and
um
anyone
that
stands
up
to
uh fight Islamism whether on the streets
uh
fight
Islamism
whether
on
the
streets
of the UK or on the streets of Jerusalem
of
the
UK
or
on
the
streets
of
Jerusalem
or Tel Aviv uh we considered to be
or
Tel
Aviv
uh
we
considered
to
be
worth talking to because Islamism
worth
talking
to
because
Islamism
unfortunately cannot be appeased as
unfortunately
cannot
be
appeased
as
unfortunately the government of Kamali are
unfortunately
the
government
of
Kamali
are
in the process of doing Islamism cannot
in
the
process
of
doing
Islamism
cannot
be appeased it must be stood up to
be
appeased
it
must
be
stood
up
to
David that's all the time we
David
that's
all
the
time
we
Thank
Thank
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