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Good to be with you Kamali. I'm speaking
Good to be with you Kamali I'm speaking
to you from the prime minister's office
to you from the prime minister's office
in Jerusalem. Uh I can tell you that
in Jerusalem Uh I can tell you that
there was a profound sense of shock uh
there was a profound sense of shock uh
in this country at that awful attempt at
in this country at that awful attempt at
that awful terrorist attack and also the
that awful terrorist attack and also the
fact that unfortunately the Jewish uh
fact that unfortunately the Jewish uh
worshippers were hit by police gunfire
worshippers were hit by police gunfire
as well. That was also pretty shocking.
as well That was also pretty shocking
But ultimately the shock goes only up to
But ultimately the shock goes only up to
a certain point because these were these
a certain point because these were these
were attacks that Jews around the world
were attacks that Jews around the world
not at least in the UK, expected. Uh they
not at least in the UK expected Uh they
are the result of the rhetoric of the
are the result of the rhetoric of the
government and unfortunately whether the
government and unfortunately whether the
government like it or not in the UK the
government like it or not in the UK the
terrorists went to do the act thinking
terrorists went to do the act thinking
that they had the backing of the British
that they had the backing of the British
government. Whether the government's
government Whether the government's
intention was that or not, the terrorist
intention was that or not the terrorist
did the act thinking he had the backing
did the act thinking he had the backing
of the British government. He also
of the British government He also
probably thought that he had the backing
probably thought that he had the backing
of the BBC. He probably thought he had
of the BBC He probably thought he had
the backing of Sky News as well because
the backing of Sky News as well because
of this excessive demonization of Israel
of this excessive demonization of Israel
which you guys have been engaged in for
which you guys have been engaged in for
the last two years.
the last two years
David, I really wish that we hadn't sent
David I really wish that we hadn't sent
into an attack on the organization or
into an attack on the organization or
onto the BBC. understand the the point
onto the BBC understand the the point
you're making, but you'll know that Sky
you're making but you'll know that Sky
News will reject that accusation. I'm
News will reject that accusation I'm
sure the government will reject that
sure the government will reject that
accusation. I'm sure the BBC will as
accusation I'm sure the BBC will as
well. Um, I do want to move on to
well Um I do want to move on to
situation in Gaza, but just because of
situation in Gaza but just because of
the uh comment there, the result of
the uh comment there the result of
rhetoric, do you think that this
rhetoric do you think that this
individual felt like he had the backing
individual felt like he had the backing
of the UK government? I mean, David, you
of the UK government I mean David you
know, the David Men, you know the UK
know the David Men you know the UK
government, you know David Lammy
government you know David Lammy
personally. You don't seriously think do
personally You don't seriously think do
you that Zakir Sama, David Lammy
you that Zakir Sama David Lammy
Shibbanmood, anyone in this government or
Shibbanmood anyone in this government or
the previous government through their
the previous government through their
actions would give any kind of
actions would give any kind of
justification for this individual's
justification for this individual's
acts.
acts
Kamali I'll tell you how British Jews
Kamali I'll tell you how British Jews
feel and I can also tell you how uh
feel and I can also tell you how uh
Israel feels. Israel feels that weakness
Israel feels Israel feels that weakness
on behalf of the government, giving in
on behalf of the government giving in
to terrorist demands, uh calling for a
to terrorist demands uh calling for a
Palestinian state directly as a result
Palestinian state directly as a result
of the October 7th uh massacre, which
of the October 7th uh massacre which
Hamas themselves thanked the British
Hamas themselves thanked the British
government for. They Hamas thanked the
government for They Hamas thanked the
British government for that declaration.
British government for that declaration
All of those actions mean that the
All of those actions mean that the
terrorist unfortunately did his
terrorist unfortunately did his
dastardly deed thinking, however
dastardly deed thinking however
misguided, thinking that he had the
misguided thinking that he had the
backing of the British government. Now,
backing of the British government Now
if you want to play a constructive role
if you want to play a constructive role
in this conflict, then the only
in this conflict then the only
constructive role to play is to call on
constructive role to play is to call on
Hamas to release our hostages now. You
Hamas to release our hostages now You
don't need a deal to do that. That just
don't need a deal to do that That just
proves you're a human being. and for
proves you're a human being and for
Hamas to lay down their arms that would
Hamas to lay down their arms that would
bring an end to this conflict in an
bring an end to this conflict in an
instant.
instant
And again, I'm sure the government will
And again I'm sure the government will
would reject that point. But David,
would reject that point But David
let's move on then to the situation in
let's move on then to the situation in
Gaza. The Israeli prime minister
Gaza The Israeli prime minister
overnight said all the hostages are
overnight said all the hostages are
close to being released. He said hopes
close to being released He said hopes
it will happen within uh the feast of
it will happen within uh the feast of
the Tabernacle. I understand that's up
the Tabernacle I understand that's up
to the 13th of October. Bombing has
to the 13th of October Bombing has
continued overnight and this morning.
continued overnight and this morning
Donald Trump had called for that to end.
Donald Trump had called for that to end
Will the bombing end?
Will the bombing end
Israel and the US are working uh side by
Israel and the US are working uh side by
side. You would have seen that
side You would have seen that
partnership in play. I saw it with with
partnership in play I saw it with with
my own eyes at the White House uh just
my own eyes at the White House uh just
last week. The prime minister and the
last week The prime minister and the
president are in extremely uh regular um
president are in extremely uh regular um
uh discussions, very regular contact uh
uh discussions very regular contact uh
precisely because we want our hostages
precisely because we want our hostages
out straight away. All of them in one
out straight away All of them in one
go, not in drips and drabs. 48 of them,
go not in drips and drabs 48 of them
unfortunately, are still there. 20 of
unfortunately are still there 20 of
them we believe are still alive. All of
them we believe are still alive All of
them need to be released. Now when it
them need to be released Now when it
comes to uh aspects of this uh deal,
comes to uh aspects of this uh deal
Israel will of course adhere to and
Israel will of course adhere to and
Israel is adhering uh to this deal. It
Israel is adhering uh to this deal It
is now all eyes on Hamas.
is now all eyes on Hamas
Will this uh dastardly terrorist
Will this uh dastardly terrorist
organization indeed go ahead and release
organization indeed go ahead and release
our hostages? Will they indeed uh lay
our hostages Will they indeed uh lay
down their arms? Will they indeed
down their arms Will they indeed
provide some restbite for their own
provide some restbite for their own
people, never mind the people of Israel,
people never mind the people of Israel
their own people who who they have
their own people who who they have
sacrificed in the most inhumane way.
sacrificed in the most inhumane way
David Mens, will the bombing stop? Then
David Mens will the bombing stop Then
Israel will act completely within the
Israel will act completely within the
confines of this deal. Israel has always
confines of this deal Israel has always
accepted every uh negotiation process.
accepted every uh negotiation process
So when there is a call for uh for there
So when there is a call for uh for there
to be a sessation of fire, for there to
to be a sessation of fire for there to
stop to be um uh
stop to be um uh
Well, Donald Trump said exactly that a
Well Donald Trump said exactly that a
couple of days ago, didn't he?
couple of days ago didn't he
So again, you're taking the line of
So again you're taking the line of
Hamas Kamali, which you've done
Hamas Kamali which you've done
consistently. I'll give you that. You
consistently I'll give you that You
are consistent.
are consistent
That's not fair. Donald Trump, yes, it
That's not fair Donald Trump yes it
is fair. Yes, it is fair. Yes, it is
is fair Yes it is fair Yes it is
fair. You have consistently taken the
fair You have consistently taken the
line of Hamas. Israel always
line of Hamas Israel always
In what regard have I taken the line of
In what regard have I taken the line of
Hamas? But I hope that you and I are
Hamas But I hope that you and I are
going to have a constructive
going to have a constructive
conversation today.
conversation today
Yes, I'm happy to have a constructive uh
Yes I'm happy to have a constructive uh
So don't accuse me of taking the line of
So don't accuse me of taking the line of
a terror group.
a terror group
Well, that's exactly what you have done
Well that's exactly what you have done
consistently uh for the last two years.
consistently uh for the last two years
You have taken that said,
You have taken that said
this is not our first rodeo. We've had
this is not our first rodeo We've had
many conversations and I've heard you
many conversations and I've heard you
repeat back to me Hamas rhetoric again
repeat back to me Hamas rhetoric again
and again. You can shake your hand if
and again You can shake your hand if
you want to.
you want to
You as a media also bear some
You as a media also bear some
responsibility for the attacks on Jews.
responsibility for the attacks on Jews
Yes, we're not to do that. No, we're
Yes we're not to do that No we're
not. Okay, let's let's get some
not Okay let's let's get some
specifics, can we? Because you're
specifics can we Because you're
attacking me for some reason
attacking me for some reason
when I'm trying to get some answers from
when I'm trying to get some answers from
you as a spokesperson for the Israeli
you as a spokesperson for the Israeli
government. So, um, strikes have
government So um strikes have
continued. You're not telling me when
continued You're not telling me when
those strikes will stop. Um, currently
those strikes will stop Um currently
the Israeli military covers about 80% of
the Israeli military covers about 80 of
the enclave. The idea, I think, is to
the enclave The idea I think is to
withdraw to about 15%.
withdraw to about 15
Now both sides seem to be waiting for
Now both sides seem to be waiting for
the other side to do something. Hamas
the other side to do something Hamas
haven't announced that they will disarm.
haven't announced that they will disarm
Israel hasn't fully said that it will
Israel hasn't fully said that it will
withdraw. As the democracy in the
withdraw As the democracy in the
situation, is it incumbent upon Israel
situation is it incumbent upon Israel
to withdraw and allow international
to withdraw and allow international
actors to come in and ensure that the
actors to come in and ensure that the
terror group disarm?
terror group disarm
Kamali, the first aspect of this deal is
Kamali the first aspect of this deal is
the release of our hostages. Everything
the release of our hostages Everything
follows from that fact. It's as simple
follows from that fact It's as simple
as that. It isn't complicated. The first
as that It isn't complicated The first
aspect of this deal, which is why
aspect of this deal which is why
Israel's people are behind it and why
Israel's people are behind it and why
Israel's government is behind it, is the
Israel's government is behind it is the
release of all of our hostages. Once
release of all of our hostages Once
that happens, then the subsequent
that happens then the subsequent
aspects of this uh agreement will come
aspects of this uh agreement will come
into place. Israel will always agree uh
into place Israel will always agree uh
to act within the confines of the
to act within the confines of the
agreement as we always have. As you
agreement as we always have As you
rightly said, we are democracy and
rightly said we are democracy and
Israel will always act uh within the
Israel will always act uh within the
the parts of that agreement.
the parts of that agreement
Unfortunately, Hamas uh through their
Unfortunately Hamas uh through their
actions have proved again and again that
actions have proved again and again that
they are the terrorist organization.
they are the terrorist organization
They've been uh true to their name. Uh
They've been uh true to their name Uh
whether the BBC or indeed you Sky call
whether the BBC or indeed you Sky call
them a terrorist organization, they are
them a terrorist organization they are
a terrorist organization. The best thing
a terrorist organization The best thing
that could happen right now is for our
that could happen right now is for our
hostages to be released as quickly, as
hostages to be released as quickly as
soon as possible, 20 alive,
soon as possible 20 alive
unfortunately the dead for a decent
unfortunately the dead for a decent
burial to be returned home to Israel.
burial to be returned home to Israel
and then every single other aspect of
and then every single other aspect of
that uh 20point plan can come into play.
that uh 20point plan can come into play
Now, of course, there were huge protests
Now of course there were huge protests
yet again in Tel Aviv demanding the
yet again in Tel Aviv demanding the
hostages be released. Um you'll know
hostages be released Um you'll know
that Hamas on the other side are looking
that Hamas on the other side are looking
for Palestinian prisoners to be
for Palestinian prisoners to be
released. Are we clear as to who will be
released Are we clear as to who will be
part of that um release of Palestinian
part of that um release of Palestinian
prisoners?
prisoners
Kamali, I'm not going to discuss that uh
Kamali I'm not going to discuss that uh
the details of that part of the deal. It
the details of that part of the deal It
is uh let me let me give you uh so I can
is uh let me let me give you uh so I can
answer all of your questions. Every
answer all of your questions Every
single aspect of the deal that we've
single aspect of the deal that we've
worked together with the Americans will
worked together with the Americans will
be adhered to. Um we are talking about
be adhered to Um we are talking about
extremely painful exchanges. We're
extremely painful exchanges We're
talking about the release of our
talking about the release of our
innocent civilian hostages for murderers
innocent civilian hostages for murderers
in our prisons. People that have
in our prisons People that have
committed murder, people that have been
committed murder people that have been
convicted of murder or Hamas terrorists
convicted of murder or Hamas terrorists
that we've captured during this conflict
that we've captured during this conflict
with the terrorist organization in Gaza.
with the terrorist organization in Gaza
These are very very difficult um things
These are very very difficult um things
for Israelis to to handle to deal with
for Israelis to to handle to deal with
to come to terms with but we believe
to come to terms with but we believe
that human life is the most important is
that human life is the most important is
of course sacrianked. So we we want to
of course sacrianked So we we want to
bring all of our hostages home and
bring all of our hostages home and
because of that fact we are unh we are
because of that fact we are unh we are
willing to release even murderers people
willing to release even murderers people
with blood on their hands people that
with blood on their hands people that
say that they wish to carry out attacks
say that they wish to carry out attacks
again and again and again. Of course,
again and again and again Of course
women and children have also been held
women and children have also been held
in uh Israeli jails as as a result of
in uh Israeli jails as as a result of
this. Now, just want to finish
this Now just want to finish
perhaps you could share with me
perhaps you could share with me
Kamali, Kamali, perhaps you could share
Kamali Kamali perhaps you could share
with these women and children you feel
with these women and children you feel
are in Israeli captivity. Israel is a
are in Israeli captivity Israel is a
democracy when we take actions when
democracy when we take actions when
there have been terrorist attacks
there have been terrorist attacks
carried out by children. Yes, it is
carried out by children Yes it is
possible. A 17-year-old is still
possible A 17-year-old is still
considered a child but still has carried
considered a child but still has carried
out terrorist attacks. This is a
out terrorist attacks This is a
democracy. So those throwaway marks that
democracy So those throwaway marks that
we somehow lock up women and children,
we somehow lock up women and children
it's outrageous. It's a slur and is part
it's outrageous It's a slur and is part
of the reason that Israel and Jews have
of the reason that Israel and Jews have
been demonized in the UK because of
been demonized in the UK because of
those slurs.
those slurs
Amazing you're still uh suggesting that
Amazing you're still uh suggesting that
about me, David Mens. But let me just
about me David Mens But let me just
ask you this final question. The an
ask you this final question The an
Israeli minister, Amitaya Chickley, has
Israeli minister Amitaya Chickley has
invited Tommy Robinson to Israel,
invited Tommy Robinson to Israel
calling him a courageous leader. Why is
calling him a courageous leader Why is
Tommy Robinson, a man who has been
Tommy Robinson a man who has been
convicted in this country for
convicted in this country for
incitements to racism and terrorism,
incitements to racism and terrorism
being uh invited to Israel?
being uh invited to Israel
Well, whether Tommy Robinson comes to
Well whether Tommy Robinson comes to
Israel or not, Tommy is uh part of
Israel or not Tommy is uh part of
British culture. I noted that he he
British culture I noted that he he
brought uh on the streets of uh the UK
brought uh on the streets of uh the UK
hundreds of thousands, if not millions
hundreds of thousands if not millions
of people. So this is really a question
of people So this is really a question
for um the UK how it deals with how it
for um the UK how it deals with how it
deals with
deals with
someone within your government's
someone within your government's
inviting him calling him courageous.
inviting him calling him courageous
Well anyone that stands up against
Well anyone that stands up against
Islamism you know deputies call him a
Islamism you know deputies call him a
thug.
thug
Yeah. and I represent the state of
Yeah and I represent the state of
Israel and um anyone that stands up to
Israel and um anyone that stands up to
uh fight Islamism whether on the streets
uh fight Islamism whether on the streets
of the UK or on the streets of Jerusalem
of the UK or on the streets of Jerusalem
or Tel Aviv uh we considered to be
or Tel Aviv uh we considered to be
worth talking to because Islamism
worth talking to because Islamism
unfortunately cannot be appeased as
unfortunately cannot be appeased as
unfortunately the government of Kamali are
unfortunately the government of Kamali are
in the process of doing Islamism cannot
in the process of doing Islamism cannot
be appeased it must be stood up to
be appeased it must be stood up to
David that's all the time we
David that's all the time we
Thank
Thank
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