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We've been in positions similar to this
We've
been
in
positions
similar
to
this
before. Are you optimistic that this
before
Are
you
optimistic
that
this
could be finally the turning point for
could
be
finally
the
turning
point
for
the families to receive their loved ones
the
families
to
receive
their
loved
ones
back?
back
>> You're absolutely right. We've been in
>>
You're
absolutely
right
We've
been
in
this position several times before, but
this
position
several
times
before
but
the key difference right now is that
the
key
difference
right
now
is
that
we're seeing President Trump putting
we're
seeing
President
Trump
putting
all his weight behind this and this is
all
his
weight
behind
this
and
this
is
his plan. And I have yet to see, um, a
his
plan
And
I
have
yet
to
see
um
a
leader that opposes such a plan. You
leader
that
opposes
such
a
plan
You
know, it would take a lot of courage
know
it
would
take
a
lot
of
courage
from either side to oppose this plan.
from
either
side
to
oppose
this
plan
And aside from that, we now see for the
And
aside
from
that
we
now
see
for
the
first time, all of the Arab countries
first
time
all
of
the
Arab
countries
stand behind this plan and back it up.
stand
behind
this
plan
and
back
it
up
So in a way, Hamas, if they again turn
So
in
a
way
Hamas
if
they
again
turn
down in this proposal, they're left
down
in
this
proposal
they're
left
alone in this war. And this is why I
alone
in
this
war
And
this
is
why
I
hope that these two key elements, um,
hope
that
these
two
key
elements
um
would make a difference. We're also
would
make
a
difference
We're
also
finally, finally seeing significant talk
finally
finally
seeing
significant
talk
about the day after about how we're
about
the
day
after
about
how
we're
going to resolve this catastrophe, what
going
to
resolve
this
catastrophe
what
the future of Gaza is going to look
the
future
of
Gaza
is
going
to
look
like. And I think these are key
like
And
I
think
these
are
key
differences. So I'm I'm hopeful.
differences
So
I'm
I'm
hopeful
Uh do you think that Hamas will agree to
Uh
do
you
think
that
Hamas
will
agree
to
the provisos that have been put in by
the
provisos
that
have
been
put
in
by
President Trump about what what they
President
Trump
about
what
what
they
need to do?
need
to
do
>> We're already seeing how they're, they're
>>
We're
already
seeing
how
they're
they're
they're negating some of them. We
they're
negating
some
of
them
We
understand that this is just a base for
understand
that
this
is
just
a
base
for
negotiations. I think everybody
negotiations
I
think
everybody
understands it. And what is most
understands
it
And
what
is
most
important to me right now is to see my
important
to
me
right
now
is
to
see
my
own prime minister stand behind this,
own
prime
minister
stand
behind
this
plan and do whatever it takes to take it
plan
and
do
whatever
it
takes
to
take
it
all the way through. And it's not enough.
all
the
way
through
And
it's
not
enough
that Trump proposed it. It's not enough.
that
Trump
proposed
it
It's
not
enough
that it's backed by the Arab countries.
that
it's
backed
by
the
Arab
countries
At the end of the day, when you enter a
At
the
end
of
the
day
when
you
enter
a
negotiation, you need to come to
negotiation
you
need
to
come
to
fruition. And I have zero trust in.
fruition
And
I
have
zero
trust
in
Hamas. They're the ones, they're the
Hamas
They're
the
ones
they're
the
terrorist organization that murdered,
terrorist
organization
that
murdered
butchered, took my cousin, raped and
butchered
took
my
cousin
raped
and
and tortured and everything they've
and
tortured
and
everything
they've
done. I have zero expectations of them
done
I
have
zero
expectations
of
them
and I have all the expectations from my
and
I
have
all
the
expectations
from
my
own country and also from all our
own
country
and
also
from
all
our
friends. You know, the UK has been very
friends
You
know
the
UK
has
been
very
vocal. Prime Minister Stomer has been
vocal
Prime
Minister
Stomer
has
been
very vocal on how he wants to see the
very
vocal
on
how
he
wants
to
see
the
war end. And now I want to see actions
war
end
And
now
I
want
to
see
actions
from every world leader come behind this
from
every
world
leader
come
behind
this
not with words with actions. How can you
not
with
words
with
actions
How
can
you
help bring this all the way through?
help
bring
this
all
the
way
through
>> We're seeing a photograph on the screen
>>
We're
seeing
a
photograph
on
the
screen
now of your cousin who we know
now
of
your
cousin
who
we
know
your family has been told that he has
your
family
has
been
told
that
he
has
been killed. Um is he amongst the 48
been
killed
Um
is
he
amongst
the
48
that you're hoping
that
you're
hoping
to see return?
to
see
return
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. He was murdered
>>
Absolutely
Absolutely
He
was
murdered
on October 7th when he was trying to
on
October
7th
when
he
was
trying
to
defend his family and his kibbutz from 15
defend
his
family
and
his
kibbutz
from
15
Hamas terrorists armed to the teeth when
Hamas
terrorists
armed
to
the
teeth
when
he and his partner had two M16s, and they
he
and
his
partner
had
two
M16s
and
they
held ground until they were both
held
ground
until
they
were
both
murdered and kidnapped. And all that
murdered
and
kidnapped
And
all
that
Tal's children know is that one morning,
Tal's
children
know
is
that
one
morning
their dad left the house and never came
their
dad
left
the
house
and
never
came
back. And this is it. This is to them.
back
And
this
is
it
This
is
to
them
This is where they're stuck. And we want
This
is
where
they're
stuck
And
we
want
to see Tal back in Israel because
to
see
Tal
back
in
Israel
because
there's only one place in the world
there's
only
one
place
in
the
world
where he should find his final resting
where
he
should
find
his
final
resting
place, which is the cemetery of the
place
which
is
the
cemetery
of
the
kibuts that our grandparents founded
kibuts
that
our
grandparents
founded
where he chose to live and raise his
where
he
chose
to
live
and
raise
his
family and that he was killed defending
family
and
that
he
was
killed
defending
it.
it
>> And has your family been told to expect
>>
And
has
your
family
been
told
to
expect
him back? But when they speak about all
him
back
But
when
they
speak
about
all
the 48, then you know he's among them
the
48
then
you
know
he's
among
them
and and we will settle for nothing less
and
and
we
will
settle
for
nothing
less
than every single one.
than
every
single
one
>> President Trump has told Israel that
>>
President
Trump
has
told
Israel
that
they need to stop their bombardment and
they
need
to
stop
their
bombardment
and
yet uh we still see strikes in in Gaza
yet
uh
we
still
see
strikes
in
in
Gaza
City. Um
City
Um
how do you feel that is going to hinder
how
do
you
feel
that
is
going
to
hinder
a potential deal here? This is
a
potential
deal
here
This
is
definitely a hindrance. Absolutely. I
definitely
a
hindrance
Absolutely
I
have I again I I am optimistic because
have
I
again
I
I
am
optimistic
because
of all that I've seen. But but as you
of
all
that
I've
seen
But
but
as
you
said Samantha, we've been in this
said
Samantha
we've
been
in
this
situation several times before. I can
situation
several
times
before
I
can
actually tell you from friends of mine
actually
tell
you
from
friends
of
mine
who live in the western Negev just
who
live
in
the
western
Negev
just
outside of Gaza that they're saying that
outside
of
Gaza
that
they're
saying
that
in the past hour, just in the past hour,
in
the
past
hour
just
in
the
past
hour
the strikes have stopped. So who
the
strikes
have
stopped
So
who
knows? Maybe there were targets that we
knows
Maybe
there
were
targets
that
we
were aiming to to get before before the
were
aiming
to
to
get
before
before
the
negotiation actually begins. I don't
negotiation
actually
begins
I
don't
know. But I I want to repeat what I've
know
But
I
I
want
to
repeat
what
I've
said. It is up to us, Israel, our
said
It
is
up
to
us
Israel
our
allies, us, the Western countries, us
allies
us
the
Western
countries
us
the mediators to make this deal go all
the
mediators
to
make
this
deal
go
all
the way through. And you're absolutely
the
way
through
And
you're
absolutely
right. This is a part of it. The strikes
right
This
is
a
part
of
it
The
strikes
must stop, negotiations must begin, and
must
stop
negotiations
must
begin
and
they should only end at this ending of
they
should
only
end
at
this
ending
of
the war and all 48 hostages back home.
the
war
and
all
48
hostages
back
home
>> Udi Goren, good to talk to you again on
>>
Udi
Goren
good
to
talk
to
you
again
on
Sky News. Thank you. Thank you.
Sky
News
Thank
you
Thank
you
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